Friday, 22 November 2013

07:57 – Fifty years ago today. I was in fifth grade. It was a Friday afternoon. We kids knew something very bad had happened because of the way the adults were acting. A lot of the kids were scared, thinking of the civil defense drills where they had us hiding under our desks from Russian atomic bombs. We knew from the Cuban Missile Crisis the previous year that the Russians wanted to kill all of us and that our parents were terrified. They finally announced that the president had been shot and sent us home early. By that time, the streets around the school were already parked solid with parents coming to pick up their kids. My mother picked up my brother and me and drove us home, where we and my dad sat glued to the TV watching the reports. I remember feeling sorry for the Kennedy kids losing their father at such a young age.


44 thoughts on “Friday, 22 November 2013”

  1. Fifty years ago I hadn’t even been conceived yet. But I know where my parents were when it happened. They got married fifty years ago yesterday. If not for JFK’s assassination, I wouldn’t have remembered their anniversary, because they got divorced a few years later.

  2. I was in 7th grade at Imogene Garner Hook Junior High School in Victorville California. An announcement came over the loudspeakers that the president had been shot. A short time later the announcement came that the president had died and that school would be closing and we were to go to our buses. I went home, turned on the TV and watched some of the news but quickly became bored of the same coverage repeated. I went outside to ride my bike and discovered that most of the streets were mostly empty. One driver did stop and tell me I should not be riding my bike but should be at home in this time of great tragedy. I then asked him why he was not at home. He drove off.

    The US pretty much shut down for the entire weekend except for absolutely essential services.

  3. I was 5.5, and have no memories of the Kennedy assassination. My sister was nearly 14 and does remember it clearly. The two big events that I remember from when I was older and aware of what was going on around me was the Whitlam government dismissal by the Governor General on 11/11/75 when I was studying for my Year 12 exams and 9/11 when I woke to the news at about 7 am, and turned on the TV just in time to see WTC 7 collapse.

    I just saw a documentary claiming that a Secret Service guy in a following car accidently fired the fatal shot and they covered up for him.

  4. I just saw a documentary claiming that a Secret Service guy in a following car accidentally fired the fatal shot and they covered up for him.

    I also saw that report. I would not put it beyond our government to cover up their problems. Obama is even doing it today, finding scapegoats for problems in his administration.

    There were also many theories about someone on a grassy knoll, Lee Harvey Oswald having an accomplice, Oswald being shot, under contract, to silence what he knew about the conspiracy.

    It will never be fully answered.

    In my opinion someone, probably in the government, knows more than what has been revealed. Such knowledge will go to the grave.

    Oswald was a damn good shooter to hit such a small target, that was moving, at that distance.

  5. I was in sixth grade in Beach School in Piedmont, California, having moved there from Chicago that summer. I don’t remember being sent home early. My parents were quite upset. My step father, who was from West Texas, was not surprised it happened in Dallas.

    Rick in Portland

  6. There were also many theories about someone on a grassy knoll, Lee Harvey Oswald having an accomplice, Oswald being shot, under contract, to silence what he knew about the conspiracy.

    It will never be fully answered.

    It was revealed after her death that Jackie always thought LBJ was the man behind JFK’s assassination.

  7. It was revealed after her death that Jackie always thought LBJ was the man behind JFK’s assassination.

    Would not surprise me. LBJ was a crooked politician, as crooked and ruthless as possible. He won the vote in Texas because people in graves were able to vote. The voter registration records for his home county of Duval in Texas contained names of people that were in graves, in the exact same order of the graves as you would walk down a row. Such voting allowed LBJ to carry his districts.

    LBJ when he was president had his home in the hill country of TX modified to put in a small theater. He also had many upgrades to the property to include water and electrical to support his staff and secret service. A fence, really nice, was built around the property. A runway was also built on his property to support a 727. All of this was done at significant government expense and the improvements remained after he left office.

    Times were different then and the technology to catch such behavior did not exist. There was also a code of silence among those involved.

    The best that ever came out of the LBJ administration was from his wife. The seeding of the sides of the roads in the Texas hill country with wildflower seeds produces an amazing display in the spring.

  8. We pretty much had a replica of Bob’s experience, only in Brockton, MA, the former “Shoe Capital of the World.” We lived a couple of blocks from lots of woods and old quarries, but it was a standard-issue suburb of cookie-cutter ranch houses. The principal got on the PA system shortly after lunch and sent everybody home, with the announcement that the President had been shot in Dallas. As we walked home, folks were out in their driveways and front yahds with radios and tee-vees blaring away, most looked to be in semi-shock.

    I remember watching some of the footage on the b&w tee-vee, including the masses that were running in Boston, NYC and the Vatican, not surprising for largely Irish- and Italian-Catholic MA at the time, and the home of the entire Kennedy clan. My youngest brother was in the process of being born and there was one false alarm and then he finally showed up on the 26th, at the South Weymouth Naval Air Station Hospital, for reasons I forget. From the time my middle brother was born, through my sister and other two brothers, I was tasked with baby-sitting the rest of them.

    He’ll be fifty on Tuesday, a prostate cancer survivor, with one daughter well along in college out in Kalifornia and the other about to finish high skool and also head out to college. To what ends I can only imagine, as neither will be STEM graduates, and the cost has been running around $50k/year.

    Tempus fugit. But luckily all four siblings are right-wing maniacs like me, only not as bad yet, one is Roman Catholic and one is in the process of becoming a Roman Catholic. And three of us are computer drones. Or were.

    38 right now and rain sprinkles with no wind. Mrs. OFD winging home from Denver tomorrow; they evidently had six inches of snow and the city was crippled, with the many thousands of newcomers, apparently from the Midwest, unable to handle driving in the snow. Here in Vermont they’ve sent kids to school, via car and buses, in roaring blizzards, and nothing closes.

  9. The thing I really remember came when I was in third grade. Until then, we’d been doing the civil defense drills, hiding under our desks and away from windows, and so on. When I was in third grade, the Russians detonated Tsar Bomba, a thermonuclear device of 100 MT tamped to yield 50 MT. Our teacher announced shortly afterward that we’d no longer be doing the CD drills because the Russians now had bombs so big that it was pointless to try to hide from them.

    Geez. Way to brighten up a little kid’s day. I never did find out whether the decision to stop the duck-and-hide drills was national, state, or local. But whoever decided, I hope they didn’t direct that it be announced that way to the kids.

  10. That was probably an ad-hoc teacher’s personal take on the situation. I remember the fallout shelter signs on a lot of schools and gummint buildings from back then, too. Sometime after elementary skool the drills stopped, for unknown or forgotten reasons, but I do remember somebody saying that if a nuke was dropped on Boston, folks in Albany, NY would get third-degree burns, leaving to the imagination what must befall on all those a lot closer, like us, for instance.

    Now the major threats to skool kidz are a failure to worship the Official State Deities, Democracy and Diversity; any hurt to one’s self-esteem; bullying; racism; sexism; lookism (the diabolical “male gaze”); climate change denial (as in Holocaust denial and just as bad); and of course any bad attitudes from uncooperative and stodgy parents. Readin’ writin’ an’ ‘rithmetic, let alone truthful American history, are all way down the list of priorities.

  11. I remember the fallout shelter signs on a lot of schools and gummint buildings

    Air raid drills, hiding under desks, large scale drill involving entire city where people gathered at designated shelters or in their personal bomb shelters. Paranoid people everywhere. My neighbors had a shelter dug in their back yard. Very small and would only hold 5 people with enough food and water for a couple of weeks. Battery lights and battery powered air vents with filters, manual cranking of the vent when battery power was exhausted. Buckets for toilets with bags to hold the waste. Now that would be fun after about a week.

    My personal opinion on the entire affair is that I would just as soon die as to live like a caveman and when it was all over having to scramble and fight for food scraps and killing for water. It seemed like survival was worse than just being at ground zero or in close proximity.

    Living in a small red-neck burg outside of Oak Ridge TN where nuclear is king, I figure that the installations in the area would now be primary targets. That small mountain between OS and OR would be flattened and I could more easily see the glow from OR while my skin is melting from the radiation. Meanwhile most of the union workers at the plants would probably have slept through it all.

    Remember that close only counts when playing horseshoes, tossing hand grenades or dropping nuclear bombs.

  12. Oswald was a damn good shooter to hit such a small target, that was moving, at that distance.

    US Marine. My son was taught and expected to a hit a one foot target at 300 yards with a M-16 with iron sights. There are techniques to use and you must master them to be a US Marine. Every Marine is a rifleman, even the REMFs. If you wanted to be a marksman, like Oswald was, they moved the target to 500 yards. With iron sights.

  13. Now the major threats to skool kidz are a failure to worship the Official State Deities, Democracy and Diversity; any hurt to one’s self-esteem; bullying; racism; sexism; lookism (the diabolical “male gaze”); climate change denial (as in Holocaust denial and just as bad); and of course any bad attitudes from uncooperative and stodgy parents. Readin’ writin’ an’ ‘rithmetic, let alone truthful American history, are all way down the list of priorities.

    Sad but true. We are dropping the Algebra II requirement from high school here in The Great State of Texas.
    http://www.chron.com/default/article/Texas-Board-of-Ed-votes-to-drop-algebra-II-mandate-4998052.php

    51 F and dropping here in the Land of Sugar. We have gotten about three inches of rain this morning. Winter has come back for a week long visit. May stay through Tday.

  14. Funny how political correctness is only perceived as being pushed by people with differing views. The leftists don’t think of their PC as being wrong and the religious right don’t think their push to impose their religious views on the entire country as being wrong. They’re both forms of political correctness. I don’t want either, thank you.

    Rick in Portland

  15. Agreed, rick.

    I understand that Oswald was a pretty good shot, and that he also got additional training, most likely, while he was in the Soviet Union; I believe he was a solid Soviet asset. I tend to think there may have been a backup shooter there on that day who may or may not have gotten off at least one shot. The thing that puzzles me is that the rifle Oswald used is such a piece of shit; why not use the state of the art for that time, which a pro sniper would presumably want?

    500 yahds with iron sights on the M-16 can be done but it’s difficult and takes a bit of work. Given my druthers, I’d prefer a scoped .308 or .30-06. But I’m old and wear bifocals now, so YMMV. Back in the day I qualified Expert every year on active duty with rifle, pistol and machine gun, the latter of which we had targets 1,200 meters out.

  16. Well, if it were me I’d probably have wanted a scoped Model 70 in .270 or something similarly high-velocity and flat-shooting, but I’m certainly no sharpshooter or sniper. I think the longest I’ve ever shot pistol is at 300 yards, and most of my “long distance” rifle shooting hasn’t been much longer than that. I did shoot a few times on a 1,000 yard course, but that’s really beyond my abilities. At long distances like that, wind drift and other factors (humidity!) start to have noticeable influence on the point of impact. And all of that is on targets that aren’t moving. I’ve always wondered if Oswald was just aiming Kennedy-ward and hit him in the head by pure chance.

  17. Yeah, I didn’t even get into moving targets, although a fairly slow-rolling motorcade in broad daylight isn’t as bad as several people running at top speed across your view at even 100 yards, which is where selective-fire rifles and the machine guns come in handy.

    I’m pretty sure JFK was the primary target and Oswald was on a mission from Soviet handlers. But dozens and dozens of witnesses of one sort or another are dead or missing by now and paperwork/files have probably been irretrievably compromised over a half-century. There are gaping holes, and none more so than in the mangled cover-up attempt and subsequent lockup of pertinent files, which the government still will not release despite multiple Freedom of Information requests. And dozen of books written since then, too, an industry all of its own.

  18. I’ve always wondered if Oswald was just aiming Kennedy-ward and hit him in the head by pure chance.

    No, it was Kennedy’s back brace holding him upright.

  19. Was there something that the government has held back in the investigation of the Kennedy assassination? Looks like there was something that was missed:
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_spectator/2013/11/philip_shenon_s_a_cruel_and_shocking_act_stunning_reporting_in_new_book.html

    It’s amazing how the major media are shying away from the truth: Oswald was a Communist who hated conservatives and hated Kennedy. So he got a gun and took shots at one of each, succeeding in the latter. The “right wing climate” in Dallas had nothing to do with it.

  20. I can confidently say that I shit myself the day JFK was shot.

    Fifty years ago I hadn’t even been conceived yet. … [My parents] got married fifty years ago yesterday.

    Marriage and then procreation? How old fashioned.

  21. Epstein’s books are very well worth reading on this and other matters; the Soviet intel apparatus had long since infiltrated our own intel organizations by then, most especially the CIA; Angleton is/was the only major figure who was on the straight and narrow, and he knew who the Soviet moles were, which was one reason he was himself canned.

    As far as I’m concerned, our intel apparatus is *still* run in the main by communist agents and dupes and thus, along with the Kennedy family’s power, and all the dead and missing witnesses since then, the whole truth will probably never see the light of day. Castro and his minions may have been heavily involved but the sign-off orders came from Moscow, i.e., Nikita Kruschev, one of the typically murderous capos of the Soviet regime and successor to Stalin.

    Some flags around here at half-mast today.

  22. RBT wrote:

    “When I was in third grade, the Russians detonated Tsar Bomba, a thermonuclear device of 100 MT tamped to yield 50 MT. Our teacher announced shortly afterward that we’d no longer be doing the CD drills because the Russians now had bombs so big that it was pointless to try to hide from them.

    Geez. Way to brighten up a little kid’s day. I never did find out whether the decision to stop the duck-and-hide drills was national, state, or local. But whoever decided, I hope they didn’t direct that it be announced that way to the kids.”

    Tsar Bomba was a publicity stunt, such a large yield is pointless, even counterproductive. The “lethality” of a nuclear weapon increases in proportion to the 2/3 power of yield, so for hard targets especially a dozen smaller warheads increases kill probability and damage.

    A woman I used to play cards with over the Internet grew up in Omaha, Nebraska and remembers the CD drills vividly, including the get-under-your-desk routine. They told the kids that they were right next to Offutt AFB, SAC headquarters and were the Russians second most important target after Washington DC. I suppose I’d rather be under a desk than not if the detonation was 20 miles away, that might protect me from shards of glass, but much closer you’d be toast anyway.

    I don’t remember any CD drills at all when I was at school, we had a few prime targets here but Adelaide probably wasn’t one of them.

  23. In the early Sixties the great Seymour Cray (may peace and blessings be upon him) wanted to get out of Minneapolis, where he worked for Control Data Corp. designing supercomputers.

    One thing that bugged him was that he was so famous that salescritters were frequently interrupting his work bringing customers and potential customers to see the great man. He was also annoyed by the constant intrusions of company bureaucracy.

    But another factor was his fear of Armageddon. Minneapolis-St Paul would have been a prime target for the Soviets, so he moved to Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin and built a mansion with a built in bomb/fallout shelter and an underground pool kept filled with potable water. No one imagined the Soviets targeting a small town in Wisconsin, and Minneapolis was too far away for direct blast damage.

    Cray and his team got a lot of good work done there, away from the company bureaucracy and the immediate threat of nuclear war.

    As it turned out Cray didn’t die as a result of The Big One. He was killed in a car accident by a careless driver at on on/off ramp in Colorado Springs in the late Nineties.

  24. Ray wrote:

    “My personal opinion on the entire affair is that I would just as soon die as to live like a caveman…”

    Heh, there was an amusing cartoon in a work magazine in the late Eighties: A number of cavemen are standing around in the ruins of a city, one says “They say it began with a bug in a computer program.”

  25. So… the lesson we should take from Cray’s story is that we prepare for the worst, then work to kick off the worst because dumbasses like that car driver won’t be prepared and will die in the aftermath of a nuclear war or massive solar event or economic collapse. I can live with that … so long as the dumbasses don’t. The human species has had it too easy for too long, and there are too many dumbasses being born and living to breeding age. We need a bit of hardship to kill off the dumbasses before they kill us.

    (Apologies to any dumbasses reading this, though if you’re a dumbass you probably don’t realize you’re a dumbass. On the off chance that you are and you do, you might as well kill yourself now. It’ll be a lot less painful than what I have in mind for you.)

  26. OFD wrote:

    “…I do remember somebody saying that if a nuke was dropped on Boston, folks in Albany, NY would get third-degree burns…”

    I don’t think so. Not sure how far those two cities are apart but I think people in Albany would see and perhaps hear a bomb go off in Boston, even a big one, but not be hurt. Of course, since Albany is the capital of NY it probably was a target in its own right so the question is kinda moot.

  27. What a moron! “Senator: Sports Stadiums ‘at Risk from…Sea-Level Rise Effects of Climate Change'”
    http://cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/sean-long/senator-sports-stadiums-risk-fromsea-level-rise-effects-climate-change

    “Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) warns sports stadiums are at risk from the “sea level rise effects of climate change,” and that climate change specifically threatens hockey and skiing.”

    Is this the best that Rhode Island can provide? I would hate to see what the runner ups looked like. Somebody in the comments called him a “inbred wanker” which sounds appropriate.

  28. I have a copy here somewhere of Glasstone’s The Effects of Nuclear Weapons. (Actually, I also have a copy of the first edition, which was titled The Effects of Atomic Weapons.) There’s a nifty circular calculator in a pocket in the later edition, which is actually quite useful. Most people, including several of the commenters, grossly overestimate the distance required to minimize the effects and even more grossly overestimate the effects of fallout.

    As Greg mentioned, blast effects are proportional to the 2/3 power of the weapon, which means a very large warhead over-destroys ground zero, wasting most of its energy. In other word, a hundred 350-KT warheads, properly distributed, do a hell of a lot more damage than one 35 MT warhead. As to fall-out, that’s mainly an issue with ground bursts, which would have been used to take out bunkers and silos. Cities and other soft targets are better candidates for airbursts, at an elevation optimized for the warhead’s yield and terrain to produce the desired overpressure (typically 5 PSI) for destroying homes, factories, and other non-reinforced construction. Such airbursts (unless the fireball touches down, as it might if they were optimizing for a higher overpressure) produce little to no local fallout.

  29. “We need a bit of hardship to kill off the dumbasses before they kill us.”

    Not to worry; it’s coming. First the cull, then the purge. Most Merkan dumbasses have zero clue about what to do when the lights go out and store shelves are empty, and half the population lives in 140 or so counties in a dozen or so major metro areas, mostly Kalifornia, NYC, TX, FL and Illinois. Those places and other major cities will become death traps.

    Or maybe I’ve now watched ten episodes of “Revolution,” partially based on Lynn’s mention of it recently. Fault-finding prick that I am; the two major protagonists look to be in pretty good shape for guys who’ve been at war for more than fifteen years straight. Ditto the wimminz. Just read about a stewardess from the ‘Nam capers who’d worked transportation flights of us drones going in and coming out a year later; she remembered the skinny baby-faced kids going over and then seeing them come back they looked like they were fifty and up, and even thinner. I was the last one off the plane in Boston and could see my whole family lined up waiting for me to get off but when I did they all failed to recognize me.

    Also, what’s with all the bows and swords? We got enough gunz and ammo in this country to last a century. And everybody’s an expert swordsman or archer. I find myself rooting for the bad guys again, as with “Homeland.”

  30. The term “yahrtzeit” in Yiddish is the “death anniversary”. Three notable men died fifty years ago, and JFK may not be the one with the greatest impact today.

    http://www.britsattheirbest.com/

    Also dying on November 22, 1963 were the authors Aldous Huxley (“Brave New World”) and C.S. Lewis, perhaps currently best known for the Chronicles of Narnia.

  31. “Duck and Cover” drills are still important enough that teachers should teach kids how to do them, and when. For example, a teacher in Chelyabinsk, Russia, saved many of her children from being cut up by flying glass when a meteorite exploded high above the city and shattered every window.

    Our school in the 60’s still did “Duck and Cover”, even though this was in the base housing of Lincoln Air Force Base, Nebraska, on a hill overlooking the runways. After all, Soviet-era missiles were known to have terrible guidance systems, and the missile MIGHT hit far enough away to be survivable.

  32. Nukes (assuming they’re not shaped) waste some of their yield straight up where there’s nothing much to destroy, which is why “lethality” only rises as the 2/3 power. Tsar Bomba literally blew a chunk of atmosphere in to outer space, that’s all the Soviets got for their 50 Mt yield. Would have killed the pilot of the deploying aircraft too at full yield. Khrushchev was a real idiot sometimes.

  33. From a novelist who has studied the Cold War intel world for many years now:

    “So, Assassination Day Five O is drawing to a close, and I just want to say that it was a KGB operation, in every respect, and the final proof is the disinformation campaign waged in the aftermath (American intel agencies couldn’t have come up with that extravaganza, they just had no capacity for that sort of thing in their nature), along with every other U.S. politician fearing he would be next. I think that the movie you want to watch is called “The Lives of Others” about the Stasi surveillance of East Germans. Michael Burleigh in “Sacred Causes” says that essentially East Germany was a society in which half the population was spying on the other half and the Stasi kept a dossier on virtually everyone. Extrapolate: The Soviets controlled East Germany. Therefore, how many KGB agents and assets, inside and outside the U.S., would be assigned to each and every major or minor political figure in the U.S.? Surely every Senator, Congressman, and military leader would have been on the list. In other words, the KGB knew all of these people inside and out. If they didn’t have something on you, chances are you never did anything. Or, read Diana West’s book, “American Betrayal,” and see the implications moving forward from 1933. We were invaded, never realized it, and the proof of that is in the White House right now. America has ceased to exist, in any meaningful way. This is the Mexican-Canadian Interzone now.”

    I also highly recommend West’s book; it explains a hell of a lot.

  34. Another notable Brit born on this day 100 years ago was the great Benjamin Britten.

    Ugh, you can take him. I’m sick and tired of his music. Every choir in Oxford has been performing his works, apparently to commemorate his death.

  35. Our local classical station has been playing some of his stuff but not to distraction; the NPR program “Pipe Dreams,” which features “the king of instruments,” will do their program tomorrow night on him, so about two hours of Britten’s works. Outside of the big cities, we don’t hear much choral music over here anymore, which is a real shame. Kids aren’t into it and the choirmasters are few and far between. During the 80s I was fortunate to attend a large Episcopal church in Worcester, MA, which had a very active boys’ choir, girls’ choir, and a master organist and choirmaster. And an organ with 7,000 pipes. The boy’s choir was the oldest continuous boy’s choir in the U.S. I’ve experienced nothing like it since.

    33 today and overcast; supposed rain showers changing to snow showers and flurries later tonight, maybe. I can remember snow in October here in New England.

    And Mrs. OFD’s United flight was delayed, naturally, so she’s still stuck out in Denver. One of these days a flight will actually be on time or a little early and we’ll both have haht attacks.

  36. Or maybe I’ve now watched ten episodes of “Revolution,” partially based on Lynn’s mention of it recently. Fault-finding prick that I am; the two major protagonists look to be in pretty good shape for guys who’ve been at war for more than fifteen years straight. Ditto the wimminz.

    Yup, seeing as “Revolution” is set 15 years after they started up the electric eating nanobugs, you would think everyone is skinny as a rail due to the massive food shortages. In the first episode, they had corn growing in every square foot that they could find inside the walls of the cul-de-sac.

    And especially the Google guy with three yachts and fifteen homes. He is carrying 50+ lbs on him. I would think that someone would haul him down somewhere and eat him.

    The last episode is totally worth watching. And totally appropriate to today’s discussion, nuclear bombs. And when somebody says that they are a patriot, watch out!

    The second season is interesting so far, dealing with first season consequences and the nanobugs. Most science fiction stories that I have read concerning nanobugs did not have positive consequences for the planet as a whole.

    Also, what’s with all the bows and swords? We got enough gunz and ammo in this country to last a century. And everybody’s an expert swordsman or archer.

    We’ve got the guns but, 15 years is a long time to blow through a lot of ammo. Especially with the civil wars and a 90% population die off. And, most of the inexpert swordsman and archers died. The winnowing of the weak is not a concept that we are comfortable with as a society past the middle ages.

    As you well know, select fire weapons use a LOT of ammo. Spray and pray needs to have a few ammo factories up and running to keep that concept going. Converting those factories from electric power to steam power / human power is going to take a long while.

  37. We never did any of that ‘duck and cover’ practice, and I am old enough that the films were on TV back then. Only drills we did were fire drills. We marched out of the classroom following the teacher into the school yard. She went for the fence, and we lined up in a straight line between her and the building. There was always confusion about which teacher should be where, and long discussions after we were given the signal to return to the classroom. We did, but many of the teachers were out getting their asses whipped by the principal, I guess, because as far as we could see, paddling students was the only thing the principal did all day long.

    During my TV career, I had occasion to visit the School Book Depository at the very window Oswald reputedly occupied (accompanied by more security personnel than you could imagine, in addition to having a security clearance to be in the presence of the then current Prez). Now this was nearly 20 years after the event, but I came away doubting that Oswald had a clean shot to the exact point the Prez was at when the killing shot was fired. There were mature trees that were there in the ’60’s that would have partially obscured the line of fire even then.

    And the other thing that the Zapruder film showed which always mystified me is why Jackie tried to exit the car by heading for the rear deck. If the shot had come from anywhere unknown and/or outside the car, would not everybody’s natural reaction be to duck and hit the floor? Something must have happened that made her think the danger was in front of them.

    My own personal conclusion is that Oswald did not do it—from the Book Depository window, at least.

  38. Chuck, Chuck, Chuck… You just don’t understand. The Government Has Spoken. The Truth has been determined. The science is settled. If you doubt anything the government proclaims, you’ll sound like some whacko conspiracy nutjob, and probably an anti-government tea bagger terrorist, too. Why, I’ll bet the next thing we’ll hear from you will be doubts about the accuracy of the government economic numbers, or even suggestions that the employment numbers were manipulated just before the 2012 election.

  39. Yeah, I have been meaning to express my views on those, too. There’s nobody here but us chickens—right?

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