Sunday, 11 November 2012

07:46 – I’m still trying to figure out what an affair with Paula Broadwell has to do with the suitability of David Petraeus to serve as CIA director. I have no idea if Petraeus is a good, bad, or indifferent CIA director, but I can’t imagine what bearing having sex with Paula Broadwell could possibly have on his suitability.

These things happen. He’s 60 years old and has been married for 37 years. She’s a very attractive woman who just turned 40. They have a great deal in common, including graduating from West Point and serving in the US military. They’re both serious runners and physical fitness enthusiasts. Both are experts on counter-terrorism. She’s writing his biography. They’ve apparently spent a great deal of time together. That they ended up in bed should come as a surprise to no one.

In a sane world, this wouldn’t have even made the news. Petraeus and Broadwell would both be doing a great deal of groveling to their respective spouses. One or both of them might have ended up in divorce court. But it would have remained private. Why should this be anyone’s business other than the four people involved? Making a media circus of this is simply uncivilized.


62 thoughts on “Sunday, 11 November 2012”

  1. Today is veterans day. Please say thanks to your FIL for us. I will be saying thanks to my FIL and my son.

    I am still amazed at how life turns out and never goes quite exactly the way that one plans it. I never planned for my son to join the US Marine Corps and spend almost two years of his life in Iraq. I do not think that I will ever understand what he left there.

    I went and visited Utah and Omaha beaches in Normandy three years ago. Standing in the bomb craters still in the ground in Pointe du Hoc is humbling.

  2. Do you think James Carville will do a smear job on Broadwell like he did on Paula X?

  3. It’s unprofessional of both of them, and a betrayal of their spouses and families, but I agree, not something to resign over. I hope their spouses take them to the cleaners – and no, I don’t mean Monica Lewinsky’s blue dress cleaner… 🙂

    It’s stuff like this that make the Frogs scratch their heads. They just see things differently to us. Stuff that Anglos would call blatant sexual harassment are often tolerated, even welcomed over there. And they have a different view of privacy. I once did a class with a young woman who’d been an exchange student in Paris. She’d noticed a guy in his car, jerking off. She mention this to her host family, they said he was doing it in private, in his car, so what was wrong? Why were you looking, they asked her. My fellow student was pretty dumbfounded by this attitude.

  4. “…But it would have remained private…”

    Replace “private” with “secret” and there is the reason for all the hoo-ha over this issue. In the intelligence business, one act of “disloyalty” prompts an observer to ask “are there (or will there be) other such disloyalties?” Would a man who betrays his marriage vows also betray his country? The intelligence world cannot have its members with such secrets; they’re blackmailable. Also, such behavior is criminal in the military system. Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, there is no such thing as “private” behavior. Mr. Petraeus betrayed his wife, and he is unfit to lead the CIA.

  5. Well, you’re holding Petraeus to an inhumanly high standard, not to mention a hypocritical one. If the military services, and indeed any other organization, expelled every man and woman who’d ever had pre- or extra-marital sex, we wouldn’t have many/any left, now would we? I don’t think I know anyone who’s had only marital sex. I don’t think I’ve *ever* known anyone in that category, man or woman. Any of you guys qualify?

    Besides which, unless I’m misunderstanding things, Petraeus isn’t subject to the UCMJ and hasn’t been since he retired. And it’s a real stretch, to put it mildly, to equate a man having an extramarital affair to that man betraying his country. It’s more than a stretch. It’s insulting.

  6. How is one “blackmailable” once it has been top of the screen on Drudgereport and NYT?

  7. OTH, certainly much less a crime against humanity than micturating on a dead Taliban.

  8. Pre-marital? Yes. Extra-marital? No.

    And as for the UCMJ, Mr. Petraeus IS still subject to the UCMJ. With respect to “a real stretch” we are NOT talking about the qualifications of someone to manage a grocery store. This is the intelligence business, a VERY different world, indeed. This is something I know a great deal about, having slogged through the intelligence trenches for 40 years. The question is not one of “equating” one thing to another. It’s about trust. The questions asked during a security clearance investigation cover loyalty, integrity, discretion, morals, and character. Petraeus failed on at least the last three. It should make you wonder about the first.

  9. “If the military services, and indeed any other organization, expelled every man and woman who’d ever had pre- or extra-marital sex, we wouldn’t have many/any left, now would we?”

    Firstly, concerning the military, surely they would only object to pre- or extra-marital sex while in the services. What happened before they joined, or after wouldn’t matter to me, but the military needs/likes to impose discipline and part of that is rigid control of conduct. Remember the first female B-52 pilot stationed up at Minot? She was busted for having sex with married servicemen, and quite rightly. If you’re not ready for that sort of discipline then don’t sign up.

    “I don’t think I know anyone who’s had only marital sex.”

    Well, we can’t be sure, can we?

    I know many people who were most likely virgins when they married, and have never been unfaithful to their partners. Obviously I can’t be sure of that, and you can’t know that they weren’t. I’ve known plenty of Christians who’ve had pre- or extra-marital sex too, but I think at least some of my Christian friends practice what they preach.

  10. “How is one “blackmailable” once it has been top of the screen on Drudgereport and NYT?”

    Once a “blackmailable” instance is in the open and no longer private, it is, of course, no longer blackmailable. It is while it is still private that gives cause for concern.

  11. I don’t see that he failed on any of the five. And how is Petraeus still subject to the UCMJ?

    Does the UCMJ not prohibit premarital sex? I thought it did, but I haven’t checked. If it does, how is it that you consider what Petraeus did inexcusable but what millions of other members of the military, presumably including you, have done to be no big deal?

  12. The son of one of my cow-orkers applied for a position in a very sensitive Australian Government agency. They asked him all sorts of very private and embarrassing questions as part of the interview and clearance process. He revealed, for example, that he had a conviction for shoplifting. That didn’t matter, I believe that he got the job regardless. They just want to know everything about you sou you can’t be blackmailed. I wouldn’t apply for that sort of job and I don’t think it would suit our host either, but so long as everything is out in the open I don’t think agencies like that care.

  13. I remember reading a study, funded IIRC by a fundie group, that concluded that fundie religious people are at least as likely to have premarital and extramarital sex as are normal people.

  14. And don’t forget that we’re talking about basic biology here. Heterosexual men are biologically compelled to have sex with as many fertile women as possible, to spread their genes. The fact that most men most of the time are capable of resisting that instinct is a credit to our sex, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s in conflict with our instincts and biological programming.

    Back in the days before political correctness, no one, including women, blamed men for straying. They rightly blamed the other woman. One doesn’t hear the term “home wrecker” much any more. That’s a shame, because it accurately reflected reality.

    The idea of marriage is entirely artificial, a female creation. I’m not sure how women pulled that off. We’re bigger than they are, immensely stronger, faster, and much more aggressive. They shouldn’t have had a chance. But somehow they’ve trained us. No sane person would kill a puppy for breaking training, so why shouldn’t women have the same attitude when men break training? Actually, they used to, in some countries more than others. The US attitude on this is almost certainly a result of our hypocritical fundie religious groups, who want others to do as they say, not as they do.

  15. Alas, that’s quite possibly true.

    I well remember back in 1991 two young people at my church were dating. I thought the guy was a real jerk, and we all wondered “why does she put up with him.” She was quite sweet, the daughter of a clergyperson.

    Suddenly, it was announced that they were getting married *next month*. I remarked, quite innocently, to a mutual friend that this all seemed a bit hasty. She said “I hope they’re not getting married because they have to.” I thought, but didn’t say, “How can you even think that? That’s a really awful thing to think.”

    Well, a month later they had their white wedding, and a month after that the new wife turned up in a maternity smock. My jaw dropped, of course. The mutual friend who had suggested that it was a shotgun wedding either knew what was happening or was more worldly wise than me.

    But the thing that still bugs me is that the husband/father was just such a jerk. A real jerk, the sort of guy none of us would want our daughters to marry.

    Yes, pre- and extra-marital sex goes on a lot in churches, even a quite fundamentalist Baptist church I went to in the Seventies, but I still think less so than in the general population.

  16. I think monogamy in humans is socially better. It’s better for couples, it’s better for society as a while. I think in an ideal marriage both partners deliberately give up some of their privacy and freedom to make the best home life for themselves and their children.

  17. I’m sorry, but I still don’t understand how Petraeus is subject to UCMJ. He retired in 2011. The only paragraphs I can find that reference retired members of the military are:

    (4) Retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay.

    (5) Retired members of a reserve component who are receiving hospitalization from an armed force.

    As far as I know, Petraeus is neither receiving military pay nor hospitalized in a military facility. Is that wrong?

  18. I think monogamy is unnatural from a male perspective. It has obvious advantages for the woman, and I’ll concede that society would be very different if men could have multiple women, not least because we’d have a lot of very angry single young men. But I don’t think it should be a matter for law. Who has consensual sex with whom is no one’s business other than the people involved.

    I can also see some real advantages to allowing men to have multiple mates. For one thing, a lot of guys dump their wives once they are no longer fertile, whether or not the guy wants more children. It’s a biology thing. I remember reading a study about “male menopause” that concluded that there was a pure correlation with the age of the wife. An older guy married to a young woman did not go through “male menopause”, while a young man married to an older woman did.

    I think the natural thing is for a guy of, say, 20 to marry a woman of 20. When they’re 40, the guy should marry another woman of 20, and continue to be married to his first wife. When he turns 60, he should marry another woman of 20, and continue to be married to his first two wives. And when he turns 80, if he’s still up to it, he should marry his fourth wife of 20. Or whatever. But the point is he doesn’t go through life discarding spouses as they age.

    Of course, if you’ve ever watched Big Love, you know that it’s not all a bed of roses for the guy. Apparently, they commonly start overdosing on Viagra and die younger than they might otherwise have.

    And, yes, I remember that the Chinese ideogram for “trouble” is two women under one roof.

  19. The affair is most likely the excuse: he had kept it secret, which means that he ought to lose his security clearance. Hard to be head of the CIA without a security clearance. While it’s now out in the open, it wasn’t. Back in the day when I had clearances, I have no doubt such a thing would have caused them to be cancelled.

    However, in this case the timing smells to high heaven. First, his resignation comes conveniently after the presidential election. Second, it comes before he is supposed to testify as head of the CIA to Congress about Benghazi. Several very improper things occurred in Benghazi; the public will probably never know the whole story. However, it’s a safe bet that Petraeus knows a lot more than we do – will he still be testifying? No one seems to know. My current impression is that some boneheaded idiot on the President’s staff (possible the Pres. himself) overrode (a) the State Department, (b) the CIA and (c) ultimately the military, which was initially prepared to ignore orders and intervene.

    This could have cost Obama the election, and could still cost him a lot politically. They’re working hard to cover things up…

  20. The thing about multiple wives for a guy is that it puts a lot of pressure on men to find women. There will be a lot more young, aggressive males needing to “prove themselves” to women, in order to get sex. The parts of the world where polygamy are general practice are not peaceful places…

  21. Correlation is not causation. Those parts of the world are also islamic, which by definition means they’re not peaceful.

  22. And, of course, I don’t think we should have security clearances. In fact, all governments at all levels should have no secrets at all. None. Zero. Everything should be public record.

    I might be willing to make a short-term exception if foreign troops have invaded US soil. Otherwise, not.

  23. Correlation is not causation. Those parts of the world are also islamic, which by definition means they’re not peaceful.

    True, of course. However, consider: a violent religion and a societal rules that raise tensions and encourage violence. Two forces, each feeding off of the other: The violent religion encourages violent societal rules; the violent society prevents the religion from losing it’s violent edge over the centuries. I think the two go hand-in-hand, and provide at least part of the reason that Islam is stuck in the past.

  24. “I’m sorry, but I still don’t understand how Petraeus is subject to UCMJ. He retired in 2011. The only paragraphs I can find that reference retired members of the military are:

    (4) Retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay”.

    Jesus, you are a stubborn cuss! The cited paragraph says those “who are entitled,” not those who are receiving. He may or may not be receiving retired pay (he may have waived it). I don’t know. But he is ENTITLED to it, and is therefore subject to the UCMJ, because the UCMJ SAYS he is. And that is THAT! Jeez!

  25. I’m not trying to be stubborn, but if I understand what you’re saying, you’re counting retirement benefits as “pay”. That’s not how I read the relevant paragraphs. So, presumably you, Ray, and many other people here are receiving or will receive retirement benefits based upon their military service. My father-in-law is 90 years old and is receiving VA benefits. Does that mean all of you are subject to the UCMJ until the day you die?

    I think one of the attorneys at my wife’s firm specializes in military stuff. Maybe I’ll ask her to ask him if retirement benefits count as “pay” as far as the UCMJ.

  26. Fun times here again, I see!

    Like brad I find the timing of the Petraeus/Betray-Us thing a tad suspicious, whatever the reality of his relationship with Paula Broadwell; where is she, by the way? I don’t watch TV but did she go off the radar screen or something? So regardless of security clearances and extra-marital sex, something is rotten in the state of Denmark with the timing after the election and then the hearings coming up this week. If I was in charge, I’d apprehend the two of them and sweat them in a chair for while with the soda pop treatment until I got some answers. (ancient version of waterboarding, pretty much, but much more intense for the few seconds it takes to get somebody to fess up).

    As for polygamy and our male biological imperative? No thanks. One at a time is plenty enuff for me, and even that gets to be a hassle sometimes. Like last night when I had to fetch Mrs. OFD off the interstate twenty miles south of here at 1900 because she ran outta gas, having failed to notice the gauge, and then it wouldn’t start due to flashers running down the battery, etc. Then this morning taking her to the airport I was berated for choosing the wrong health insurance “plan” during enrollment and given a Honey-Do List for the forthcoming week.

    Then I find both pooters down here at this “office” possibly due to power hit from high winds overnight, I dunno for sure. RHEL box comes right back up; Windoze box is DOA, won’t power up let alone boot. I suspect power supply and will now have to fool around with that on top of other crap this week. So right now I’m on the RH machine and via the included Firefox I downloaded the Chromium version for 64-bit Fedora and it works great, wicked fast, and having signed in to gmail I now have all my bookmarks, too. But I have a couple of apps on the Windows machine I need to get back up and running, including all the movie and tee-vee files and some other stuff. Of course this may be a chance to work out a media center via Linux and open source in the meantime.

    Sunny with blue skies and the Lake looks like the ocean again, with whitecaps, and it is 61 and climbing.

  27. One at a time is enough for any sane man. The question becomes, how long is “a time”?

    In college and grad school, I ended up on many occasions with two girls in bed. That was pretty rigorous, but the one time I was in bed with three at the same time I almost didn’t make it out alive.

    Oh, wait. You didn’t mean literally “at a time”, did you?

  28. Once you reach a certain number of years/rank in the Army, you become “Regular Army”. Which I am. You can be recalled to active duty by the President at any time. That’s federal law and you should be aware of it if you decided to become “Regular Army”, Air Force etc.

    The UCMJ is a federal law. When you retire, you need to pay attention to all those exit briefings. It is made clear that you are subject to the UCMJ because of your retirement benefits, whether you use them or not. Like many antiquated concepts, ie sodomy, in the UCMJ, they are usually only enforced to add punch to a more serious crime (murder, rape, etc.). Petraeus won’t be tried under UCMJ in my opinion. But he could be.

    On the other hand, he has most certainly sworn many oaths of office under which specifically he could be charged. Even though he is retired, he swore an oath when he became Dir of the CIA, to not compromise the secrets he will have access to in many ways, to include getting in a blackmail situation. I have several oaths I swore when I worked in the Joint Intel arena that are “to the death”. Those oaths can and will be tried under the UCMJ even if I didn’t accept “Regular Army”.

    There it is. Many of you don’t know of these rules, but they exist and are explained in detail when you swear to accept them. The military takes sworn oaths as a big deal.

  29. RBT wrote: “Does that mean all of you are subject to the UCMJ until the day you die?

    I can’t speak for others, only for myself: Yes, I am subject to the UCMJ until I die, even though I retired from the US Army in 1982. If, during an audit of my behavior from 1962 to 1982, some slavering government lawyer stumbles across some crime committed by me that is not subject to the statute of limitations, then I COULD be prosecuted. What are the chances of that? Zero, zip, nada, none.

    And I am NOT counting military benefits as “pay.” The operative word in that section of the UCMJ is “entitled.” Petraeus is entitled to military pay. Whether or not he collects this entitlement is irrelevant.

  30. Shazamm! I sure am glad I bailed after four active years. Damn. So if and when they come for me to put on them cammies again I can tell them to shove it, right? Right???

    “…many occasions with two girls in bed. That was pretty rigorous, but the one time I was in bed with three at the same time I almost didn’t make it out alive. Oh, wait. You didn’t mean literally “at a time”, did you?”

    No. The situation with two grrls at the same time happened with me a couple of times overseas and only once back here in The World. The time back here just about killed my young ass; I was 27 then. They were 20. Dunno about them, but I ain’t never forgetting THAT! Three at once? No thank you; I wanna live a few more years. I live a sheltered life now and like things nice and stable here on the home front for as long as that is possible under the current regime.

  31. > OFD wrote:So if and when they come for me to put on them cammies again I can tell them to shove it, right? Right???

    Right. For ten years or so after retirement, I carried so-called “hip pocket orders” that Uncle could use to coerce me back onto active duty. But this ability has to be tempered with reason (one would hope). Overall health and age play significant roles in such decisions, and I’m over the hill in both categories. So I’m safe and so are you. Count your blessings.

  32. The personal morals or transgressions of any individual have nothing whatever to do with their ability to carry out duties for the public at large. There are many examples of that throughout history—one of the most relevant to us being Henry VIII. Aside from killing wives to be free under his religion to marry another with whom he already had started relations, I am sure he had many encounters that the wives—who lived separately—never knew about. None of that affected his ability to govern effectively, and give his subjects “common law” upon which our own legal system is founded.

    As far as Broadwell being some kind of Mata Hari—that’s a stretch. But I am with our host that there should be no secrets of any kind in any form of Republic, and especially not in a direct Democracy. Just keeping anything a secret from the electorate nullifies the Republic.

  33. Thanks, Larry, I was gettin’ nervous for a bit there. Thanks also for your service and sacrifice on this Veterans Day; my own active sentence ran from 1971-75, then inactive reserve 1975-77 and active reserve 1978-80, thus neatly avoiding subsequent probable tours in Lebanon, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan and wherever. Hugely amusing note: if I had done thirty years/career my end date would have been 9/11/01 and I would most likely have had it cancelled and stayed on active duty yea unto the present day. One of many bullets thusly dodged.

  34. RBT wrote:

    “I think monogamy is unnatural from a male perspective. It has obvious advantages for the woman, and I’ll concede that society would be very different if men could have multiple women, not least because we’d have a lot of very angry single young men. But I don’t think it should be a matter for law. Who has consensual sex with whom is no one’s business other than the people involved.”

    That may be so, but it’s in the woman’s interest (and that of her children) to get and hold onto a guy all to her self. I mean, if you were a woman would you want some fly-by-night stud to get you knocked up and then leave you for another? No matter how good his genes are he’s not worth spit to the woman if he doesn’t provide for her and her offspring. They may well die of starvation or exposure. And I, as one of the “angry young men” who missed out, don’t have the least interest in raising another man’s children. Hence, while I agree monogamy isn’t natural for guys it’s probably the best that most of them can get.

    Sure, it’s up to the people involved, but it’s also up to me whether I want to spend 20+ years partnering a woman who deliberately chose a fly-by-night stud as the father for her kids, putting *her* kids through school, college and the rest. It’s in my genetic interest to do what male lions do when they take over a pride. Would that be good for human society?

  35. RBT wrote:

    “In college and grad school, I ended up on many occasions with two girls in bed. That was pretty rigorous, but the one time I was in bed with three at the same time I almost didn’t make it out alive.”

    Yeah right. You have a future writing Mills and Boon or soft core porn if you ever lose interest in science.

  36. Horny Dave wrote:

    “The time back here just about killed my young ass; I was 27 then.”

    Dave, remember how you said a few years ago that you’d been to a wedding where the four bridesmaids were auditioning to be the next bride? Send one over, will ya? At my age I’d be happy with just one… 🙂

  37. Chuck wrote:

    “There are many examples of that throughout history—one of the most relevant to us being Henry VIII.”

    Henry VIII was one of the most evil men who ever lived. He loved getting into wars, especially with France, which cost his subjects dearly. He raided the monasteries to get funds to run his obese government, which resulted in the destruction of many wonderful old buildings. May he rot in hell.

  38. What Greg sez about Henry VIII goes a hundredfold for me.

    For that I will look up them wannabe brides and get them a ticket to Oz, see how the old man down there can hold up…

  39. Just to show how shot my memory is, I can’t find/remember some posts of interest here in the last few months, and the new format makes them harder to find.

    Ray, I remember you saying that I shouldn’t install Office 64 n any MS o/s. Is that correct? Could you provide the details again or a link to the original post?

    Also to Ray, I’ll be seeing my ophthalmologist in a couple of days and need to know what to ask for. he or one of his lackeys said last year that a cataract operation might be in my near future, and you made some recommendations on that. I wear glasses for both astigmatism and short sightedness. Ditching the glasses would be great if possible. Even with glasses my vision isn’t the best.

    The last thing was on how to capture stuff from Youtube. I think there was a FF plugin that helps.

  40. I just got OpenOffice installed on this RHEL box and it works great.

    I’ve worn glasses since age nine and they now correct for myopia and astigmatism both and are bifocals. I can see wonderfully with them through both top and bottom and dread going to eye doctors almost as much as I dread dentists. Can’t stand anything in my eye at all.

    When I have been saving YouTube vids on the Windows box I used the little trick in Real Player that I learned fairly recently. IIRC it was to open a new browser window in RP with the url of the Tube video and then save it as an RP download.

  41. I got a copy of the latest MS Office through work for $15, and may as well use the 800 pound gorilla since I paid for it. I don’t remember if I ordered the 64 bit, 32 bit, or either. I’ve used OO and have no objections.

  42. What’s with the long, rambling Greek letter on Pournelle’s site? I can’t make head nor tails of most of it. The meat of the matter is in the middle, expressed in a couple of paragraphs: the guy was falsely arrested, and the Greek court is a disaster. The rest seems to be a stream of consciousness, and the verse at the end is just painful.

    Why did Pournelle publish this, or at least, why did he publish the whole thing? Am I missing the secret code? Or has concise writing gone the was of the dodo bird?

  43. I was wondering that myself, brad. Deuced odd.

    Temps here may break records today, heading into the 60s, and it’s been extremely windy for 36 hours now, whitecaps on the Lake. Tomorrow should see us back to normal November weathuh.

  44. <i.Ray, I remember you saying that I shouldn’t install Office 64 n any MS o/s. Is that correct? Could you provide the details again or a link to the original post?

    That is true. It is not that 64 bit office will not work as it does indeed work fine as an application by itself. File formats between the two are identical. The problem is the add-ins do not work with the 64 bit version. Security software such as Norton, Kasperky, etc. will not work properly with Outlook, Mappoint will not integrate, etc.

    I see no compelling reason to install the 64 bit version instead of the 32 bit version. Unless you have really large and extremely complicated documents I see no benefit in installing the 64 bit version. Stick with the 32 bit version and life will be simpler.

  45. cataract operation might be in my near future

    My recommendation is to have it done as soon as possible if it is warranted. The improvement in clarity, color and sharpness is remarkable. In my case I had lenses implanted for distance vision and just use reading glasses.

    The last thing was on how to capture stuff from Youtube. I think there was a FF plugin that helps.

    I don’t remember what I used. Just do a google search on extracting video from Youtube. There are several. Most you just provide the URL and the software does the rest.

  46. “Ah, but would she be happy?”

    Of course. I’m still devilishly handsome, have a GSOH, plenty of charm, wit, and more.

  47. I believe that any prosecutor can indict you for breathing. Or any other heinous act that you or may not have committed.

  48. I’m still devilishly handsome, have a GSOH, plenty of charm, wit, and more.

    Then I humbly stand corrected.

  49. Oh no, in the extension of the current global warning crisis, fairly soon now someone will start saying that the good air should be reserved for children and aged. Everyone else should either breathe bad air or pay a penalty. After all, it will be for the children. Therefore, people not paying the breathing tax will be indicted. You heard it here first!

  50. I use a Firefox add-in called “Download Helper” to save YouTube vids. Will save almost any media file from any site, except for streaming video/audio. However, they do provide for sites to opt out of allowing downloads. There are very few of those, however, and my downloading is limited, so that is not really a problem for me. YouTube fully supports Download Helper.

    Convert files from one format to another using AviDemux, which uses ffmpeg for conversion, but technically is not a ‘front-end’ for ffmpeg. You can extract (save) either audio or video from a file using AviDemux. You have to know your extensions and provide the proper one, as AviDemux does not provide them for you. The K-Lite Codec Mega Pack includes Media Player Classic Home Cinema, which will also demux audio from a lot of video/audio integrated file formats.

  51. Miles_Teg says:

    Chuck wrote:

    “There are many examples of that throughout history—one of the most relevant to us being Henry VIII.”

    Henry VIII was one of the most evil men who ever lived. He loved getting into wars, especially with France, which cost his subjects dearly. He raided the monasteries to get funds to run his obese government, which resulted in the destruction of many wonderful old buildings. May he rot in hell.

    OFD says:

    What Greg sez about Henry VIII goes a hundredfold for me.

    What happened to critical thinking skills here? Obviously, every country of Europe in that era was practicing kill or be killed, and conquest was the sign of progress in those times. My friends and family who died in Vietnam did so because they had the unfortunate luck to be born in a country where they were conscripted and sent to their death by an ogre of a Commander-in-Chief. That happened in Henry’s time, too. So?

    Yeah, Henry was a bastard, just for killing his wives. His stealing from monasteries does not bother me in the least, and if it slowed the spread of Christianity, so much the better.

    Buildings I don’t care about at all. Tear ‘em down and build new ones when the need arises. Life is for the living, not to worship what the dead once built.

    Shrub was every bit the bastard that Henry was—for Iraq alone. Times are relative. What we enjoy in Western Civilization today, is thanks Henry and his placement of a solid legal system. And this all serves only to reinforce all the more my point that a leader’s moral standards are independent of his contributions to society as a whole. That can be seen with the ogres of conquest going back through history as far as it is recorded.

  52. “…His stealing from monasteries does not bother me in the least, and if it slowed the spread of Christianity, so much the better.”

    Except it didn’t. It only hurt poor, working and middle-class Roman Catholic English people and vastly accelerated the spread of all the Protestant denominations, sects, and cults, including the fundamentalist crackpots which bother some of the folks on this board tremendously. And which we don’t have very much of up here, thankfully. He and his minions also did not scruple from murdering monks, priests and nuns who got in the way, but I suppose that was OK because hey, they were just nasty little Christian animals and good riddance.

  53. What’s the matter with many versions of the same fiction out there in the marketplace? You want the RCC to have a corner on the market? Hank was actually pretty sharp for getting out from under the church that tried to control him, for one that he could control.

  54. Short answer: Yes, I want the “RCC” to corner the market: everyone on Earth. Hank is someplace really warm right now and good riddance to bad rubbish; one of the most evil and rapacious leaders in human history.

  55. Chuck wrote:

    “What happened to critical thinking skills here? Obviously, every country of Europe in that era was practicing kill or be killed, and conquest was the sign of progress in those times. ”

    Oh Please!!

    Henry VIII got in to totally needless and pointless wars. So did a lot of other English and other monarchs. If Henry had only started half the wars he in fact started England wouldn’t have had to go deeply in to debt, etc. Look at his daughter, Elizabeth I, she was a consummate diplomat and tried very hard to avoid wars. Her father, may he roast in hell, treated wars almost like sport.

  56. “I use a Firefox add-in called “Download Helper” to save YouTube vids. ”

    Thanks, I remember now that you mention it.

    “Getting old is hell.” ™

  57. Yeah, there is a fundamental difference between men and women that affects how they handle things when left in complete charge. Jude Wanniski has the most complete non-psychology-text description that I have read, in his book “How the World Works”. Naturally, Hank’s daughter, the woman, would not do the same as manly he. But Hank was not jumping off any bridge the other European monarchs were not using at the time.

Comments are closed.