Friday, 11 November 2016

09:32 – Today is Veterans’ Day, a day to remember the service of our present and former veterans.

The last of our WWI veterans are no longer with us, and few enough of our WWII veterans. Time passes quickly. When I was about five years old, my parents took me and my younger brother to a veterans’ parade in downtown New Castle, PA, where I grew up. There were hundreds of veterans of my father’s generation. They were mostly young men in their 30’s and 40’s, and had served in WWII and Korea. There were fewer but still a large group of my grandfather’s generation, men mostly the age that I am now, who had served in WWI and/or WWII. There were also a few of my great-grandfathers’ generation, elderly men who had served in the Spanish-American War.

I’m sure that most of the veterans there had thought at the time that they were fighting so that their future children and grandchildren wouldn’t have to. Alas, that turned out not to be true, as each succeeding generation had its own wars to fight. So, I sit here thinking about veterans of earlier wars as kids young enough to be my own children and grandchildren fight their own overseas wars, probably thinking that they’re fighting so that their future children and grandchildren won’t have to fight. And realizing that a thousand years ago, ten thousand years ago, our young people were fighting for the same reason. And also realizing that people don’t start wars; governments do.

I ordered a gas cooktop yesterday, but it won’t arrive for a couple of weeks. That gives us time to arrange to have a propane tank and piping installed. In addition to running propane to the kitchen, I’m also going to have the installers stub out an exterior connection and quick disconnect for our generator. I talked to an electrician yesterday about giving us a quote on installing a cut-over switch for the generator. He’s also a Generac dealer, so I’ll have him install a propane kit and cutover on our 5KW Generac so that we can use either gasoline or propane to fuel it.

I’m still debating about tank size. The standard propane tank is 120 gallons, which is a bit smaller than I’d like. Unfortunately, the next size up, 330 gallons, has a lot more restrictions on it than the smaller tank, as far as required distance from the house, pad requirements, and so on.

The nominal 120-gallon tank actually holds 100 gallons when full, the equivalent of twenty 20-pound cannisters, which is about nine million BTU’s of heat content. The largest burner in our gas cooktop is 15,000 BTU’s, so we could run it for about 600 hours on a full tank. Call it an hour and 40 minutes a day for a year. So I guess that 120-gallon tank will suffice, but I’ll need to keep it at least 75% full at all times.


67 thoughts on “Friday, 11 November 2016”

  1. I’m guessing a two tank installation is either just as restrictive or the economics are not good.

  2. The economics of it suck, but we could have a second 120-gallon tank installed without any additional restrictions. That’s one of the things I intend to ask about when we head over to Blue Ridge Co-op early next week to get things scheduled. I’d be comfortable with 240/200 gallons of capacity, but it’ll cost us.

  3. Happy Veterans Day (formally Armistice Day) to all my fellow and gal Veterans; past, present, and future.

    Extremely foggy here today, visibility down to 50 feet. I’m holding down the fort as usual and got reports from the wife, son, and daughter that traffic was very light and absenteeism very high at all their workplaces, looks like more than 50%.

  4. RE: Veterans
    My grandfather used to tell me stories of riding with Pershing after Pancho Villa. My grandfather was assigned to Pershing’s command unit because he could type and he saw a lot of Lt. Patton and was present when he was almost blinded by a Coleman lantern explosion in his tent. He reported that he typed up a lot of court marshal papers on the expedition. I wish now I had listened more as a kid.
    My other grandfather served as an instructor in Army Comm school in WWI, teaching morse code to the telegraph operators. He told me a story of a time when HIS father was riding from his homestead in Indian Territory to his family in Texas. He came to a crossing on the red river and saw a family camped by the river. He stopped to warn them that the skies to the west were looking dark and they best move on to high ground quickly. The father said they had just set camp and he didn’t want to move, besides, it wasn’t raining where they were.When he rode back a couple of days later he saw the remains of their wagon smashed in the scrub high on the bank. That story has always stuck with me.

  5. Propane: perhaps consider having a large subterranean tank installed? Ours is 3000 litres, and it was provided and installed for a nominal fee by the company that delivers the gas, on condition that we purchase our gas from them and have the tank serviced/inspected annually by them for five years. I like having a buried tank, as it is weather-proof, protected from accidental damage and from theft, and very discreet.

  6. Thanks for the story @H.Combs.

    @Chad said:

    Interesting to see that if you sort the states by percent of popular vote for the Libertarian Party candidate (Gary Johnson) that New Hampshire, the chosen state of the Free State Project, came in 15th. However, New Mexico came in 1st with 9.34%.

    The Free State Project is a joke. For laughs I listen to Free Talk Live (https://www.freetalklive.com/) on http://lrn.fm/listen/online/ (because the stream on the FTL site usually doesn’t work). These folks are all talk and bluster with very ineffective action and coordination. There is a problem when you are an anarchist based organization, everybody considers themselves the leader.

    A quick tour around the interweb this morning still shows no reliable vote counts dated after 11/9 a.m.. The fixers are still trying to fix to at least try to rescue the “popular” vote count but HRC keeps falling behind and Trump continues to gain. Those precious little snowflakes cannot even fall back on HRC “winning” the “popular” vote, but that will not stop the rioting (let’s call it what it is).

    Edit: @dkreck and I must have been typing at the same time: Get ready, Chelsea is going to be our next President/Congressperson.
    Warning: Scary picture at top of page:
    http://nypost.com/2016/11/10/chelsea-clinton-being-groomed-to-run-for-congress/

    Mike Rowe has a real good post about why Trump was elected. As good as it is it requires a person to have an IQ above 1 which is ten times greater than the average HRC jock strap supporter.
    https://www.facebook.com/TheRealMikeRowe/posts/1330853343591472:0

  7. I’m having fun with numbers today… 🙂

    Hillary Clinton spent 45% more than Donald Trump, but only managed to buy herself 0.3% more of the popular vote than Trump.

  8. Clinton is so desperate to win the popular vote that it wouldn’t surprise me if she called for a recount in the states she won.

  9. As regards Princess Chelsea running for soon-to-be (allegedly) retiring Nita Lowey, and Lowey’s people “declining to comment:” Cankles screwed Lowey many years ago in another potential campaign and their history has only been lukewarm cordial on the surface. In other words, it should have been Lowey all these years running for stuff and moving on up instead of Cankles. We all got screwed.

    I guess the whole country is gonna be as tired of the Clinton and Bush crime family dynasties as many of us up here in New England and the Vampire State have grown tired of the various Kennedy Crime Family litters always running for stuff and getting their faces on tee-vee.

    A shout out to my fellow veterans and families of veterans on this day, as I have had ample cause to learn over the years that families often take the brunt of whatever bad chit happens when no-longer-smiling Johnny comes marching home again. As RBT points out above, it ain’t people and families who start wars; it’s fucking out-of-control governments.

    I am now reading the late A. Solzhenitsyn’s “1914” and at the period in the summer of that year when Russian and German forces were beginning to collide in what used to be East Prussia. Just over a century ago and yet here we still are, with wars still running in the Sandbox regions and our troops all over the world in over a thousand bases and military installations.

    Go back even further and read of the Roman legions standing guard against blue-skinned Picts, or the archaic Greek poets bitching about their soldiers’ lot in life, and further still to Chinese and ancient Egyptian troops on various miserable frontiers. 2016 and we’re still doing this shit.

    Overcast and breezy, temps in the low fotties, high twenties tonight and possibility, finally, of snow flurries. A lotta leaves now blown down in the immediate village vicinity, gotta get out with the mower/mulcher at some point. And do some raking and composting and finish outside yard projects PDQ as long as I can manage them. After that, I have beaucoups projects in the cellar and attic and wife is working out in her studio and prepping it for new windows installations in the next week or two.

  10. @OFD, here you go, all you need is to get a real dark tan and a sex change:
    http://www.geekwire.com/2016/military-veterans-make-exceptional-tech-industry-workers-microsoft-helping-land-jobs/

    Edit: Good news on another subject:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3928032/Huma-breaks-weeps-openly-returns-campaign-headquarters-aides-ran-doomed-bid-elect-Hillary-Clinton.html

    BTW, in the article is a bit about a candid picture of HRC with a jock strap supporter. This could not have been more contrived or staged, that is unless all the Secret Service protection for the Klintonnes has been removed. Note the little dog in the picture and the baby, how Norman Rockwell.

  11. I’m still debating about tank size. The standard propane tank is 120 gallons, which is a bit smaller than I’d like. Unfortunately, the next size up, 330 gallons, has a lot more restrictions on it than the smaller tank, as far as required distance from the house, pad requirements, and so on.

    Get two 120 gal propane tanks. That generator will crank through the tank in no time at all. Torturing electrons to convert them into electricity requires a fascinating amount of work.

    So which cooktop did you get ?

  12. 2016 and we’re still doing this shit.

    For it’s Tommy this and Tommy that, and “Chuck ’im out, the brute!”
    But it’s “Thin red line of heroes” when the guns begin to shoot.

    re Huma crying, maybe it just hit her that she’s going to prison.

  13. Yeah, I did a lotta reading on the British Empire’s troops in Asia and Africa for most of the 19th-C, both fiction and non-fiction. Tommy got a raw deal most of the time but he’s portrayed quite lovably throughout all that literature. Tommy got a lot more cynical in the 20th-C’s world wars for some odd reason.

    “re Huma crying, maybe it just hit her that she’s going to prison.”

    If so, she should count her lucky stars; a lot of the Clinton Crime Family’s former associates and friends who got/get thrown under the proverbial bus ended/end up dead. She’s not a bad-looking wench and could presumably find someone a LOT better than Weiner; I suggest she start up a pen-pal arrangement with the hot young guys over in the Muslim Brotherhood or ISIS. She’ll have to explain to them, though, why she married a Murkan Jew and had a Jew child with him. That may not go over well.

  14. “…de gustibus non est disputandum…”

    Nam sua cuique …

    Hey, she looks worse than she could because of the manic schedule and what must be horrific stress working for that pig all these years and then all the chit with her “husband.” Take away that, run her over to a Burger King or Friendly’s and feed her good for a few weeks while keeping the muscle tone, and I’m guessing most of the harsh will disappear. She could be a musloid bombshell.

  15. Don’t say “musloid” and “bombshell” in the same sentence. Microaggression, sir. I now fear for my life that some musloid is going to bomb me. No trigger warning. No safe place. I’ll need OdooshCare counseling for years…oh, wait, haha, buh bye OdooshCare.

  16. OK, I’ll leave out the bombshell stuff; she could be a smokin’ hot musloid babe if she got rid of the harsh, the stress, put on some weight and worked out a little. Move to Australia and get away from all this chit. I know at least one guy down there who would be happy to help her settle in.

    I just hate to see her take the full rap for the Cankles stuff, unless, of course, she’s been a stealth Musloid Brotherhood operator/agent all along and then what we do with spies is what was done to Major Andre and Nathan Hale.

    Got an uninterrupted pain-free night of sleep in the recliner last night and today, wonder of wonders, the back seems to be 75% better, i.e., I could walk around the supermarket floor and stand in line for however long I had to, no problemo. Which is amazing, after months of the pain and sciatica. Wife thinks it was the sleep that did it, so tonight I’ll try my special OTC drug again and maybe tomorrow night I can go back to sleeping in a real bed with her.

    Overcast with weird dark skies again and very windy.

  17. “What are they, five? Good riddance to low-class scum.”

    Assholes. Count the fucking silverware and make sure they don’t “format-C” all the desktops and laptops and steal priceless heirlooms, portraits, etc. I wouldn’t be surprised if they smeared the walls with their own excrement before leaving.

  18. Careful, Dave. If you compare the Oshitballs to feces-flinging monkeys, you’ll be deemed a racist.

  19. I fully expect all of the T’s to be pried off the White House computer keyboards when Obola’s crew leaves.

  20. “…you’ll be deemed a racist.”

    Oh my. I just couldn’t stand it…the pain…the humiliation…

    …say, it that worse than being called a “slaver apologist?”

    Or “Jesuit stormtrooper?”

    I kinda like those; highlights from my years at Salon’s Table Talk before it folded. It was me and maybe three or four other people amidst a sea of libturd Dems, socialists, commies, etc. We gave much more than we got from those idiots, too.

  21. “…Weird kitchen. I wish I had a few hundred grand to throw down on it.”

    I actually dig that kitchen; nice and roomy with all the stuff, wow, I could have a ball in that. But we just have our little old 1830 kitchen here, with a view out one window of the back yard and the other window lets us see the evergreens between us and the wallyhog’s place next door. She’s been entertaining the latest Flavor of the Week over there and has had at least one minor domestic dispute on the back porch.

    But it was as nothing compared to the one I saw and heard across the street a couple of weeks ago; that was a real doozy. No physical violence in either case or I woulda called the cops so I could laugh at them having to deal with that same chit I hadda deal with 30-40 years ago.

    Life in the village…

  22. Got an uninterrupted pain-free night of sleep in the recliner last night and today, wonder of wonders, the back seems to be 75% better, i.e., I could walk around the supermarket floor and stand in line for however long I had to, no problemo. Which is amazing, after months of the pain and sciatica. Wife thinks it was the sleep that did it, so tonight I’ll try my special OTC drug again and maybe tomorrow night I can go back to sleeping in a real bed with her.

    Congratulations !

    I am dealing with some sort of right hip injury at the moment. Hurts when I sit or lay down. Saw my doc and he wants me to try steroids which will mess with my Warfarin. So I am trying to tough it out for a week before I go back crying for the drugs.

  23. Or, somebody will shut them down.

    The Secret Service can demand Twitter’s logs, with account name and IP address for every threatening message. And shut them down if they don’t comply. And the world will have lost approximately nothing of value.

  24. DH wrote:

    “Hey, she looks worse…”

    Chelsea looks pretty hot in that NYT article… 🙂

  25. Nice looking place Lynn. My place would be 1/3 the size house on 1/10th size block for about the same price.

    Watch for the ‘gators in the pond though…

  26. Watch for the ‘gators in the pond though…

    If there is a mud puddle six inches deep around here then there is a gator in it.

  27. “… So I am trying to tough it out for a week before I go back crying for the drugs.”

    I hope it disappears real fast, Mr. Lynn. My back pain went down into my hips and pelvis and my right leg. I could sit and drive with nary a twinge, but walking and standing were pretty bad. I also hope you can sleep OK; that seems to help with this stuff.

    “And the world will have lost approximately nothing of value.”

    +1,000 And I hope they do the same with FaceCrack and shut that down, too. I’m sure there’s plenty of the same going on there.

    “Chelsea looks pretty hot in that NYT article…”

    Well, no surprise; she’s a younger version of her batshit crazy hag of a mother and you thought SHE was hot. Pretty soon you’ll be thinking the kangaroo and Tasmanian devil females are hot.

    “As the sun sets on this Veterans’ Day…”

    Gotta say, I dig the sentiment and all that, but less so the “sister” stuff for combat roles, the repeated full-auto fire at apparently invisible targets, and the exclusive focus on the Sandbox capers, when there is a boatload of film clips available from other wars, even since film was invented, in fact. I also dug seeing the repeated shots of Spooky winging through the skies at the usual slo-mo speed with all that firepower. If you want a ville destroyed utterly and you’re not pressed for time, let Spooky circle around a few times and deliver the goods. Those buggers will fire just about anything. In my day it was the 20mm and 40mm cannons and the .50s, but I saw clips of one firing a 105mm howitzer, too. I was a very junior enlisted scum gunner on them for a very short time, serving with WWII and Korean War vets with sleeves lined with rank stripes and tons of fruit salad on their dress uniforms. But most of my air time was in the choppers, all that chit going on at the very end of the Second Indochina War when I was a 20-21-year-old sergeant.

    Hats off to fellow vets here and lurking and while I’m glad we made it back, we also remember our fallen brothers, and in these times, our fallen sisters, too. Pax vobiscum, fratres, et sorores.

  28. “Geez, he’s a tosser!”

    Yes. A tosser and a wanker, too!

    He and other “pundits” were crying the other day that Apocalypse was about to hit us all in the “markets” and he doubled down on it the next day. Pretty funny. One could hope that would shut him up forever but they’ll keep him on as a reliable mouthpiece for the existing commie Deep State apparatus.

  29. [snip] re Huma crying, maybe it just hit her that she’s going to prison. [snip]

    I’m of the opinion that Trump ought to make a quiet offer to the Clintons and all their inner circle. Just go away, and all the (very real) threats of prison will too. The nation would be better off without all the drama, and the notion of a Republic would be better off without endlessly trying to criminalize politics. This wouldn’t mitigate their crimes, but it would put them behind us.

  30. @OFD, thanks for looking at that clip. I too had a bit of a hard point with the items you brought up. When I was in my submarine we used to get classified 16mm films from the Services updating us with what was going on topside in SEA. We all knew “Spooky” as “Puff” and always like the shots of the devastation it wrought on the forest below (pruned real well).

  31. “Weird kitchen.”

    Yes it is. Tons of storage for junk. Two upper cabinets next to the sink but over the dishwasher. Not well laid out at all. But I do like the cabinets.

    The rest of the house screams “party time” to me.

    The master bath, er, well. I suppose the maid keeps that shower looking nice. 🙂 I like the pool.

    Keep looking….

  32. “We all knew “Spooky” as “Puff”…”

    Ditto. I used “Spooky” as that moniker is likely more familiar to the current generation.

    “Tons of storage for junk.”

    Tons of storage for ammo. FIFY.

    “The rest of the house screams “party time” to me.”

    Ditto. Easy to clean up after, too. By the maids.

    “The master bath, er, well. I suppose the maid keeps that shower looking nice.

    Especially while she’s in it, soaping me down.

  33. There were forecasts — nay, dire warnings from the bearded sages themselves — that the British stock market would crash and never recover if those damfool plebs voted for Brexit. And foresooth, the FTSE100 did indeed take a tumble… for about a day. The FTSE is well up for the year and may be at record highs. (The charts I just looked up showed the current level is at or near record high, but doesn’t say if the numbers are indexed to the pound or to the USD or not at all.)

    Meanwhile, even I, despite avoiding televisions and radios, am catching snippets of chin-pulling economists and sociologists telling us about how US unemployment and inflation are near record lows and Trump is ruining everything. I have no doubt that the socialists and fascists and other statists working for the US federal numbers agencies will have the numbers nicely cooked to show that everything was wonderful under the God King and it all went to hell under That Idiot Reality Show Host. On the plus side, Trump may get fed up and tell entire bureaus, “You’re fired!”

  34. Especially while she’s in it, soaping me down.

    That part of the country, the maid will be in her late 30s, have had eight children, and weigh more than you. Might I suggest you reconsider your plans?

  35. I’m of the opinion that Trump ought to make a quiet offer to the Clintons and all their inner circle. Just go away, and all the (very real) threats of prison will too. The nation would be better off without all the drama, and the notion of a Republic would be better off without endlessly trying to criminalize politics. This wouldn’t mitigate their crimes, but it would put them behind us.

    I just don’t know. The Clinton Family Foundation really bothers me. Hillary looks like she took bribes while she was Sec of State. We cannot have that as a nation. What about the next person who is Sec State, can they have a Family Foundation too ?

  36. Keep looking….

    Funny, that is what the wife said. And that big shower in the middle of the master bath does put one on presentation (not pretty at age 56).

    I would like to have a nice place where my parents can visit and stay for a while. But Mom’s cancer just came back and they will probably stay with my brother since he is only three miles away from the Med Center. When Mom was undergoing radiation in Jan ?, they rented a furnished apartment over by the Astrodome and stayed there.

    We are truly the sandwich generation. Or at least the wife and I are with my parents and her dad. And our 29 year old daughter who will probably never leave due to her disabilities, she has stopped driving again so that kinda sucks. She cannot drive when she is dizzy from the migraines.

    I actually like this house better. I offered them $550K but the realtor just laughed. I might could afford that. But I would need to add a mother-in-law suite for the daughter which would cost over $100K.
    http://www.har.com/6302-bridlewood-dr-/sale_95664460

  37. HRC and her minions belong, at best, in orange jumpsuits cleaning up roadside litter, under the “don’t work, don’t eat” rule. Ten-hour days six days a week; only books allowed in the cells are the Bible, the Anti-Federalist Papers, and Murray Rothbard’s “Conceived in Liberty.” With random spot quizzes and exams every month. Under the “don’t read, don’t watch tee-vee” rule. And the tee-vees will only be in community rooms pre-tuned to special channels showing stuff from the Western classics. Mouthy and rambunctious inmates can spend their energies on special building projects after hours and/or be transferred to labor battalions (chain gangs) repairing and maintaining infrastructure.

    And that’s all assuming that we just don’t simply implement capital punishment for the top traitors right away.

    “That part of the country, the maid will be in her late 30s, have had eight children, and weigh more than you. Might I suggest you reconsider your plans?”

    Sure, but I’d be the one hiring the housekeeping staff, amirite? So I get to pick the maids. And the outfits they wear or don’t wear.

  38. she has stopped driving again so that kinda sucks. She cannot drive when she is dizzy from the migraines.

    Self-driving cars are not many years away. Driver-assist cars are here and almost good enough, and will probably get approved for general use in most states before too long.

  39. “I actually like this house better. I offered them $550K but the realtor just laughed. I might could afford that.”

    That kinda money up here would get, oh, I dunno, Bernie’s lakeside mansion. Or for me, a nice 40-acre horse farm way out in the sticks, house dating to the 1800s but with modern plumbing and juice. Or would allow us to buy out our neighbors here on either side and across the street and put in landscaping and a two-story barn and have a full view of the bay.

  40. DH wrote:

    “Especially while she’s in it, soaping me down.”

    ALERT: Mortal sin detected!!!

  41. And the tee-vees will only be in community rooms pre-tuned to special channels showing stuff from the Western classics.

    I got roped into an event at our local state prison about 6 or 8 years ago. I was wandering about the common area during a break and happened by the tv area. There was 150+ guys in there watching “All My Children”.

  42. Self-driving cars are not many years away. Driver-assist cars are here and almost good enough, and will probably get approved for general use in most states before too long.

    There is a big argument about liability coming.

    One of my guys bought a new Hyundai Santa Fe the other day. It has lane following mode. He had it turned on while on the new I-69 construction the other day. It followed the old freeway lanes right off into the mud when the new freeway took a sudden jog to the inside. He turned that feature off.

  43. almost good enough.

    But, yah, legal issues are going to be more expensive than the technical issues. We can probably overcome much of that by requiring every lawyer to ride exclusively in self-driving cars with no manual override. Self-driving cars with the Skynet option enabled.

  44. As to size of your propane tank…. I spent a winter in Nebraska and it was a cold one … the trailer I was living in (fully skirted, but of course not all that great insulation) I went through 1500 gallons … three five hundred gallon tanks. I wasn’t all that warm either. Just a data point….

  45. weird kitchen

    Yep. The “triangle” of sink, fridge, stove is too far apart it looks like. The sink should be at least where the dishwasher is to cut down on walking. or put in a prep sink by the fridge. Looks like double ovens and a big built in microwave. No icemaker though.

  46. Just checking in from my phone. Family stuff this weekend. Can’t look at the houses, but most of the ones I’ve actually been in have kitchens that are too big and technically to spread out. Works well for the type of parties you host on a house like that. And often several people are cooking at the same time.

    Remember too that everyone ends up in the kitchen. Party house should have an outdoor kitchen area too.

    Only brought one pistol and 2 reloads, so hope the world doesn’t end this weekend.

    Rioting starting up again? Gotta love their”passion.”

    Nick

  47. The ACLU just launched a pre-emptive strike against Trump: Don’t enforce the law against illegal immigrants or we’ll cry – and maybe sue you.

  48. Only brought one pistol and 2 reloads, so hope the world doesn’t end this weekend.

    I always keep a box of 50 rounds in the truck for my truck gun. There might also be a 10-22 breakdown rifle in it with a few hundred rounds in the case. Paranoid, me ? Nope, I took the MREs out.

  49. That does look like a nice cook-top. I like the feature of being able to install over a wall oven. Link saved. On the plans are to move the big propane tank the neighbor gave me when he was remodeling a to-be rented house to a serviceable location, run the gas line to the pump house and to the house. The plan is to have gas in the house for a cook-top when we re-do the kitchen and when the electric water heater dies, the gas replacement goes in the pump house. And wah-lah! My pantry room just doubled in size!

    Yeah, sure, it’s another 40 feet to get hot water to the kitchen faucet. But with a well insulated pipe**, it’s got to be better than the old house in Austin. That had the water heater in the far corner of the garage. Copper pipe in the slab. Kitchen was in the diagonal corner. Turn on the hot water, go to the bathroom to pee, come back and the water is just getting warm.

    ** insulated cpvc inside of a larger pvc pipe. For protection from idiots with shovels and so the insulation is protected from whatever, perhaps earthworms.

    Oh, and why go with a propane water heater? I don’t have enough of a generator to run an electric water heater. Long ago I had a super insulated water heater. We had an ice storm and no electricity for a bit over a week. But I had hot and then pretty warm water at the kitchen sink for face washing and warm wash rags for the smelly parts.
    Just as the water went cold, the power came on a couple of hours later.

    The current water heater is not as well insulated.

  50. Put in a small re-circulation pump at the far end. Pulls a small amount of hot water from the hot line and returns it to the water heater. A low volume pump would be fine, just enough to move the water at a slow pace. Would require two lines to the water heater. Bury a six inch PVC line (sched 40) , run both lines, fill the line with foam or rock wool insulation.

  51. Ray, pretty much exactly the plan. Tho perhaps a thermo-siphon system instead of an electric pump.

    Gotta go feed the dogs. Right Now! According to Missy. 🙂

  52. ** insulated cpvc inside of a larger pvc pipe. For protection from idiots with shovels and so the insulation is protected from whatever, perhaps earthworms.

    I had my 25 pair phone cable in a 4 inch schd 40 pvc pipe. The moron in the backhoe went through it like butter, three years ago. He was only 20 ft away from where the cable went into the ground and could see it had he bothered to look. His boss got to pay for the four hours OT for the AT&T guy to reconnect my cable. And, his boss came out and covered the phone line trench when I called.

  53. When I first started here in ’92 with water lines and such, I did think to call the county ag a-hole to ask about the freeze line. Like, why not? Everyone says to call the county ag guy for myriad reasons. The water line to the house in Austin was about 18″ deep and it froze one winter.

    County guy was like “just cover with dirt”. So… how deep are my water lines from pump house to EDC and beyond? As deep as the DitchWitch goes. Which is about 4 inches past armpit in the dirt while gluing pipe.

    Go on and laugh.

    Funny, I’ve never had a frozen pipe that mattered.

  54. The water line to the house in Austin was about 18″ deep and it froze one winter.

    Did the water line freeze or did the meter freeze? That has happened to many people here. The meter is only about 1 foot deep and is not covered by earth, just the meter box. People here that had frozen meters, well not actually the meter but the pipes entering and leaving the meter, sometimes faced big bills. If the line froze past the meter the homeowner paid, if prior to the meter the water company paid and took their sweet time getting to the meter.

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