Friday, 22 July 2016

10:05 – I happened across this article yesterday, and decided to post this morning about why we don’t use a pressure canner. (There’s one sitting in a kitchen cabinet, but I use it only as an autoclave for biology stuff, not to preserve food.)

FTA: “…for four people, her suggestions would require 800-1200 jars…” Assuming you buy new jars in bulk, and depending on capacity and mouth size, a thousand canning jars with lids and bands might cost $700 or so, or $0.70 each. That’s a lot of money for empty jars. The canning process itself is also costly, both in terms of fuel and time. And that’s not even counting the financial and time costs of planting a vegetable garden. Nor is home canning sustainable in the long run if lids are no longer available. Most preppers would want to buy enough spare lids to re-use those jars at least five times. That’s 5,000 spare lids. If you buy in bulk, lids will cost about $0.20 each. If you buy in really large bulk, you might get that down to $0.15 each. (You could buy Tatler or other reusable lids, but I don’t trust them. They’re quite expensive, there are too many failures with reusable lids, and even they can’t be reused indefinitely.) So, 5,000 spare single-use lids at $0.15 each is another $750 on top of the $700 you spent on the jars originally. You can buy a lot of commercially-canned vegetables for that amount of money. And, to top it off, most of what you’d be canning would be vegetables, which are not essential to the human diet and contain very little actual nutrition for the amount of effort and storage space required.

It would be far better to buy commercially-canned vegetables for your long-term storage needs. They’re cheap even in standard-size cans, and cheaper still in #10 cans. A standard size can of vegetables at Costco or Sam’s Club might cost $0.70 (less than the cost of a canning jar), and a #10 can (equivalent to six or seven standard cans) might cost $3.50. Canned vegetables remain good for many years, or even decades. Instead of spending that $1,500 on canning jars and hundreds of hours growing vegetables and canning them, you could buy more than 400 #10 cans of vegetables, which would contain considerably more food than you’d fit in those 1,000 canning jars.

But of course, those #10 cans will eventually all be used. What then? Well, I hope you’ll be keeping a garden all along and eating fresh vegetables while they’re available from your garden. With proper planning and management, depending on your climate, you should be able to have a garden that produces an ongoing supply of vegetables for at least five or six months a year. The rest of the time, you eat your canned vegetables. But by eating the canned stuff only when fresh isn’t available, you also extend your supply of canned by a factor of two. And I hope that by the time you run out of canned vegetables you’ll have built a solar dehydrator to use to preserve vegetables from times of plenty to use when food is hard to come by.

You may have noticed that I focus a great deal of attention on food. I remember discussing water and food storage with a prepper friend back in the 70’s. He was famous for his malapropisms and twisted logic, often coming up with statements that were almost but not quite right. In this case he said, “Water is easy to come by but food doesn’t grow on trees.” I think I sprayed my coffee out through my nose, but he had a point. Water *is* easy to come by, at least for most of us. Food, on the other hand, really doesn’t grow on trees.

So that’s why I don’t spend time and money on canning food. If it ever comes to it, I’d dehydrate what I could. The rest of it, mostly meats, I’d salt down or pickle. I just hope it never comes to that.



87 thoughts on “Friday, 22 July 2016”

  1. Mrs. OFD has no use for canning stuff, either; sez it’s a gigantic PITA for not nearly enough return. We’d also go the dehydration route but meanwhile I’m going for the canned stuff, for both veggies and fruit. Also the soups, stews, tuna, salmon, clams, crab, beans, etc., etc.

    And we’ll at least have tomatoes, peppers and squash from our tiny garden here; but I still plan to see what could be organized in this immediate AO for a “community garden,” and also working out regular relationships with local CSA’s and farmers.

  2. a prepper friend back in the 70’s. He was famous for his malapropisms and twisted logic, often coming up with statements that were almost but not quite right

    His name wasn’t Yogi Berra, was it?

  3. No, but he could have given Yogi a run for his money.

  4. Huh. I just went over to visit the People Eating Tasty Animals website (peta.org) and was shocked to see that their domain name had been hijacked by some disgusting greeny, prog group that apparently believes pond scum should enjoy the same rights as humans. As a long-time supporter of the original omnivorous group, I’m very sad to see their domain stolen by this group of hateful upstarts.

  5. disgusting greeny, prog group that apparently believes pond scum should enjoy the same rights as humans

    They support equal rights for politicians, bureaucrats, and lobbyists? That’s beyond the pale! (Though I hope not beyond the pail, as they’re obviously full of shit.)

  6. I can’t seem to find a comprehensive book on solar tech. Does someone have a recommendation? Maybe I’m just Googled out.

  7. The LDS in most areas have a big commercial style and licensed kitchens that they hold “canning parties” in several times a year. Check it out.

    A number of years ago my wife and I went to one when I had way too many tomatoes. We had a great time and managed to pressure can 200 quarts of tomatoes. I could have never done that at home. Since then I have been way more careful about how many tomatoes I plant.

    Pressure, and even water bath, canning is not something you jump into with both feet. It takes the right equipment and time. Today’s flat electric cook tops are not suitable for big water bath canners and definitely not pressure canners. It’s not a bad skill to learn, but check into to your local LDS and County Extension Agent for information and training.

  8. Libturd pundit Sally Kohn on profiling:

    What about the mothers and fathers who have lost their violence to white guys with AK-15s conducting mass shootings? Why not profile them?

    Most of the comments on her statement were “she is one drunk lesbian”. lol! AK-15, WHITEY!, violence, all the libturd buzzwords. AK-15, lol!

  9. Now that Ted Cruz walked into the RNC and yelled “Fire”, is his career really over? I think he should have left the building when Glenn Beck got down on his knees and said “he is the saviour”. That was wacky.

  10. “The LDS in most areas have a big commercial style and licensed kitchens that they hold “canning parties” in several times a year. Check it out.”

    No longer, unfortunately. About 90 of the LDS canneries went away a few years ago, leaving only a dozen, mostly in Utah and the US and Canadian west. The 90+ downgraded canneries no longer offer that service. Instead, they’re now LDS Home Storage Centers that sell prepackaged food in #10 cans and retort bags, as well as some bulk stuff like wheat and beans in sacks.

    They apparently fell afoul of health department rules, which is completely bogus but there it is.

    http://prepared-housewives.com/lds-cannery-locations-questions-answers/

  11. WOW @RBT, it has been longer than I thought I was at the LDS Cannery. What a tremendous loss. Thank you for providing the information I should have known.

    However, this was a good exercise showing the invasion of the gooberment and another case of total usurpation of our rights and freedoms.

  12. My grandmother used to can apricots every year. Partly because they had so many from their trees and because they tasted so good. No canned ones have ever been like those. Nowadays we just settle for the 3-4 weeks we can have fresh ones. Usually I can get mom to make a pie.

  13. I can’t seem to find a comprehensive book on solar tech. Does someone have a recommendation? Maybe I’m just Googled out.

    How comprehensive a book are you looking for? There is only so much you can do with an off grid system. At first glance, this Youtube video seems to do a good job of covering the basics.

  14. I’ve started doing some home pickling and jam making. All I have done are quick pickles that have to be eaten in a month or so in the fridge and some quick jams. Not a problem as they go as fast as I can make them.

    Cook’s Illustrated has a good book on the topic. Most of the recipes are for what they call “quick canning” like I’ve done, but there are instructions on how to put the pickles and such up for long term shelf storage.

    So far I’ve made dill pickles, bread and butter pickles, curried cauliflower pickles, blackberry-lemon verbena jam, and earl grey blueberry jam.

  15. Barbara suggested after she read my page this morning that we buy canned fruit and vegetables for our long-term storage and just freeze excess garden produce. Works for me. If the power went down long-term, we’d just dehydrate or salt down whatever was in our freezers.

  16. Good suggestion from Mrs. RBT; besides the staples, like flour, rice, beans, pasta, oil, salt, sugar, etc., I’m getting in lotsa canned veggies and fruit, etc. We generally eat our limited garden produce right way but also freeze some of it already. And yeah, if the power cuts out for a while, we’d have to dry or salt down the freezer stuff. I don’t wanna pack the freezers full of food, though, or we’d have quite a bit of eating and drying and salting to do during a juice-out scenario. Jackie Clay over at Backwoods Home magazine is not real big on loading up freezers, and I guess she does a lotta canning the old-fashioned way, but she has long had the gear and experience to make a good go of it.

    Another sunny day with blue skies and big puffy clouds on the bay with a gentle breeze.

  17. We actually don’t eat a lot of vegetables or fruit.

  18. “My Opinion of Trump’s Convention Speech”
    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/147798324931/my-opinion-of-trumps-convention-speech

    “Trump gave his nomination acceptance speech last night. I grade it an A-. It wasn’t a speech for the ages, but it was presidential enough. As convention speeches go, it was solid.”

    “As I have already blogged, all Trump needs to do is NOT act like a crazy racist for the next few months and he will win bigly. This speech introduced no new outrages, and voters are starting to get used to the old ones. So on a strategic level, it was a strong performance. If Trump does more of this, and adds no new outrages, he’ll glide to a comfortable victory.”

    “Persuasion-wise, Trump’s family was the big story of the convention. People seem to love them in the same way the public loved the Kennedys. And notice how Donald Jr. and Eric both have the speaking cadence of Jack and Bobby Kennedy. Notice also how Melania reminds you of Jackie Kennedy – quiet, smart, and classy. These are coincidences, but your irrational brain doesn’t care. It sees a new batch of Kennedys and wants to see more of them. That’s powerful election magic for a nation that only pretends to care about policies.”

  19. “The LDS in most areas have a big commercial style and licensed kitchens that they hold “canning parties” in several times a year. Check it out.”

    No longer, unfortunately. About 90 of the LDS canneries went away a few years ago, leaving only a dozen, mostly in Utah and the US and Canadian west. The 90+ downgraded canneries no longer offer that service. Instead, they’re now LDS Home Storage Centers that sell prepackaged food in #10 cans and retort bags, as well as some bulk stuff like wheat and beans in sacks.

    They apparently fell afoul of health department rules, which is completely bogus but there it is.

    Our church has a Pre-K through 8th grade school in it also. They have a commercial grade kitchen (required). No one is allowed in there without a health certificate. There are many devices and work areas, all individually approved by the city of Sugar.

  20. Now that Ted Cruz walked into the RNC and yelled “Fire”, is his career really over? I think he should have left the building when Glenn Beck got down on his knees and said “he is the saviour”. That was wacky.

    I must admit that I am unhappy with the junior senator from The Great State of Texas. Of course, I am unhappy with the senior senator also as he has borderline RINO characteristics.

    Of course, I feel that lawyers should not be allowed to run for public office.

    And Trump told Cruz to stick it where the sun don’t shine:
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/22/trump-buries-bitter-rival-cruz-in-farewell-to-cleveland.html

  21. I store my canned fruits mostly in the form of pie filling. That way I’m actually likely to use them. It’s really easy with premade pie crust, esp if you are running the oven anyway for a roast.

    For variety or a treat, I’ll do mini pies in little ceramic cups. The kids love them.

    Nick

  22. Wrt Cruz, I’ve never seen a smirkier smarmier shiftier performance in my life.

    Good riddance

    Nick

    Nick

  23. I always knew Cruz was a piece of smarmy RINO chit. With wifey working for Goldman-Sachs, no conflict of interest there, eh wot? Good riddance is right.

    Hey, another chapter being written in the new worldwide war with musloids:

    “It is still unclear whether this is a terrorist attack.”

    Yup. Some German Catholic Eagle Scouts are doing it. Or maybe the local Hadassah club.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/22/munich-shopping-mall-shooting-everything-we-know-so-far/

    And the kid chopping at German people on that train with an axe recently was yet another homosexual cross-dresser and as Ann Barnhardt calls them, “diabolical narcissists.”

  24. Thanks for the links on solar stuff. I guess, with the massive gooberment push on solar, there would be a plethora of professionally written books on the subject. Maybe the solar companies are trying keep us in the “dark” so we can only buy their turnkey systems.

  25. Or only be able to buy government turnkey systems, partnered with your local electric utility monopoly.

    We also noticed some street widening going on up here recently, with peoples’ and business’s property marked off with orange tape about twelve feet in and up and down said street. Eminent domain, natch. You lose half your lawn so we can jack up more vehicle traffic in both directions. Or like they did recently with a natural gas pipeline, right across farmland and creeks.

    That guy Whitehead has a new piece out now on how armed violent revolution is a no-go and we’re all just being sucked under total control by the Almighty State; I skimmed it but was getting too depressed to finish it. His theme was basically the same old one of how no matter what we have for flintlocks and blunderbusses, they have tanks and jets and artillery, etc., etc.

    But, Mr. Whitehead, maybe we’re not looking at doing Second Gen Warfare against the State and its forces at all. Little fucking guys in black pajamas and B.F. Goodrich sandals and other little guys with long beards and towels on their heads seem to have done a creditable job over the long haul standing off the biggest and most powerful military forces in world history. How much more might educated guys with modern firearms and tactics do? Who already live among the people, like the late Mao said to do, like fishes in the sea. Just gotta get the masses on board, which might get easier as things get sportier and shelves are empty.

  26. Thanks for the links on solar stuff. I guess, with the massive gooberment push on solar, there would be a plethora of professionally written books on the subject. Maybe the solar companies are trying keep us in the “dark” so we can only buy their turnkey systems.

    Much of the solar power industry seems to be in grid tied systems where you sell excess power to your electric company. Those of us here are talking about off grid systems where there is no connection to the power grid at all.

  27. “… and Merkle is down.”

    ??? down how? Down there checking out the scene? Shot down? Her polls are down?

  28. I hope Mr. ChuckW didn’t immigrate to Germany. It’s not the Germany he talks about anymore.

  29. Down in approval. Certainly many over there are fed up. Now for their Der Trump.

  30. So…
    It’s OK to accidentally shoot a health care worker
    since you were trying to kill an autistic guy playing
    with a toy truck.
    Got it.

  31. I’ve been afraid of toy trucks for my whole life. I fear for my life when I see one. I would certainly empty a mag into someone who had one. Niven’s rule if you are next to one holding a toy truck.

  32. “HUD Mandates ‘Affordable Housing’ in Affluent Baltimore Suburbs”
    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/hud-mandates-affordable-housing-affluent-baltimore-suburbs

    “The goal is to move low- and very-low-income people out of the city and into the suburbs.”

    “In June 2015, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that federal housing law allows people to challenge zoning laws and other housing practices that have a “disparate” or harmful impact on minority groups, even if there is no proof that the discrimination was intentional.”

    Looks like the future is all about federal discrimination. We are all going to have to wear colored stars or circles on our shirts.

    How do I get my wife and kids registered as Cherokees ? My wife is 1/4 Cherokee according to her mother’s younger brother who says that both of their parents were 1/2 Cherokees from Arkansas. He says that both of his grandmothers were full blood Cherokees. But nobody acknowledged that lineage when they escaped from the reservation back in the late 1800s and early 1900s.

  33. Call Elizabeth Warren? Cher? Seriously, contact the Cherokee Nation.

  34. So isn’t Germany one of those places with ‘common sense’ gun laws?

  35. “I just wanna clarify something here: I just make up all that chit about me once being a cop. I was never a cop. Nope. Never had nuttin’ to do with it. Military police? Security Police? Nope. Not that, either. Never.”

    Noted. Congratulations.

  36. My pack of 10 each P-38 and P-51 can openers showed up. I’m going to hand one to Barbara and see how long it takes her to figure out how it works. 😉

  37. Oh, yeah. They appear to be genuine US-made Shelby products.

  38. “My pack of 10 each P-38 and P-51 can openers showed up. I’m going to hand one to Barbara and see how long it takes her to figure out how it works. ”

    Extra points if she can use it to open a bottle or as a screwdriver
    (& mini- pry-bar, of course).

    Bright idea: Those self-adhering tapes would be good to tie down
    the blade on these can openers, for safe carry, maybe leaving no
    residue like actual sticky tape would. (Hate assorted goo in my food!)

    Other bright idea is of course to stick a P-38 or P-51 onto every third
    large can of food (or whatever you feel like spending on this project).
    Move the opener to the next can in the queue. A little magnet might
    be good for this, too, but little magnets are scary around food!
    (Two magnets, or a magnet & a bit of ferrous material, if swallowed,
    can grab each other from different sections of intestine. Not a good
    thing.)

  39. Oh, I have enough can openers around that I should be able to track one down when I need it.

  40. “Oh, yeah. They appear to be genuine US-made Shelby products.”

    Topics: knives and Chinese stuff

    I like a little tiny lock-blade knife for EDC. Originally got them
    from Smokey Mountain Knife Works, Maxam brand. Got a dozen
    or so from Amazon, same Maxam. Got another dozen, no longer
    Maxam branding, but apparently OK. Half serrated blade.
    (Lock blade in particular makes it subject to frequent “confiscation”
    so $1.25 price is tolerable.)

    Walmart has a ~4″ blade knife, lock blade. Used to be $1.
    New version is somewhat improved; rose to $2 eventually.
    I figure Wally swapped Chinese suppliers (yes, they probably
    screw their Chinese suppliers, too).
    (Advantage of this knife is threaded hinge pin (also holds pocket
    clip) so you can tighten it with a method other than whacking
    it with a hammer.) It’s a good folding “camp kitchen” knife, half
    serrated.

    Trend: Yeah, I do tend to try to stash multiple fairly useful cheap
    tools in various places. Of course, it only takes one tool to get you
    arrested…

  41. Go to Tribal Citizenship:

    http://www.cherokee.org/Services/TribalCitizenship.aspx

    Looks likes my wife’s great grandmothers need to be on the Dawes list. I guess it would help if I get their names and locations. Shoot, I barely know my own great grandparents names.

    Uh oh, “Attach the ORIGINAL STATE CERTIFIED FULL IMAGE/PHOTOCOPY OF THE BIRTH RECORD of the applicant and a copy of an immediate family member’s CDIB/Citizenship card.”

    My wife was born in Camp Zama, Japan. She has a uncertified US Army birth certificate and a USA birth certificate signed by Alexander Haig, then Secretary of State. House Representative Tom Delay got that for her as the morons at the US Passport office would not accept her Army birth certificate. Very fancy piece of paper.

  42. Trend: Yeah, I do tend to try to stash multiple fairly useful cheap tools in various places. Of course, it only takes one tool to get you arrested…

    I’ve got tools all over the house, garage, office, and vehicles. I haven’t put up pegboard in the garage yet since we moved into this house four years ago so the heavy stuff is still in moving boxes collecting dirt dauber nests.

    What one tool will get you arrested ? A fixed blade in Texas over 5.5 inches will get you arrested.
    http://www.knifeup.com/texas-knife-laws/

  43. Of course, it only takes one tool to get you arrested…

    Yes. There’s a reason I carry real blades. When a 1″ blade on a Leatherman Micro is treated as a deadly weapon, there’s no reason not to carry an actual deadly weapon.

  44. @spook : do you mean this blade? http://www.walmart.com/ip/Ozark-Trail-Pocket-Knife/19801134 ($2.00, but out of stock according to the web site).

    Yep! Thanks for looking it up.
    It’s usually available locally in the store.
    Newer ones have the “checkering” on both sides.
    I have never particularly torture-tested these, but since the
    usual issue with cheap plastic handle knives is working loose,
    you can re-tighten (small allen key) without hammering & busting
    the plastic. Cheezy stainless steel is pretty easy to sharpen and
    it holds an edge pretty well.
    I would never dream of using this as a “weapon” of course, but it’s
    a good kitchen knife.

    Cheap knives are good for barter, bribes, gifts… though of course
    you need to have your Croc Dundee blade handy in case they turn
    on you with it!

  45. “What one tool will get you arrested ? A fixed blade in Texas over 5.5 inches will get you arrested.”
    ” Of course, it only takes one tool to get you arrested…
    Yes. There’s a reason I carry real blades. When a 1″ blade on a Leatherman Micro is treated as a deadly weapon, there’s no reason not to carry an actual deadly weapon.”

    I once told a state cop that the ~4″ old timey (not so much at the time)
    sheath knife in my glove box was involved in “being in the woods every day”
    when of course he’d hoped I would stupidly say it was meant for defense (do
    bears count?). He put it back and shut up about it.

    I do plan to be extra careful about possessing toy trucks for now on.

  46. Also…
    Be very careful since cops measure blade lengths from
    somewhere near the hinge pin along the curvature of the
    edge, for any sort of maximum that can be obtained, I
    guess, very much NOT like how manufacturers and sellers
    measure blade length.

    Reminds me of how to measure a fish…
    “Standard length” for an ichthyologist is base of caudal fin
    to end of snout. Legal length includes the caudal (tail) fin,
    typically…
    Fisherman length, well, uh, I’d never lie about that…

  47. Eh? The stuff that grows on trees is what food eats.

    http://www.chron.com/news/article/Copperhead-engage-in-nightly-summertime-feeding-8399696.php

    “The larvae, looking like hump-backed beetles, begin digging their way to the surface around dusk. They emerge from the ground, crawl to the nearest vertical structure (usually a tree), climb a foot or two up the trunk, their “shell” splits along its back and the adult cicada works its way out.”

    “Some of the highest-volume movements of cicada larvae are to large oak trees on lawns.”

    “These nocturnal emergences of cicada larvae are like the opening of an all-you-can-eat dinner for some wildlife. Yellow-crowned night herons are one of the species that regularly prey on emerging cicada larvae. Copperheads are another. And when the cicada dinner bell rings, it can draw a copper-colored, fanged crowd.”

    I don’t eat copperheads.

  48. Looks like the Maxam mini-lockblade is Amazon B002BS7Y3U.
    Probably won’t get Maxam branded item; might not matter.
    “extra sharp 1-7/8″ 420 surgical stainless steel half-serrated blade”
    So that’s probably “legally” about three full inches blade length.
    Oh, wait, probably more, since they’ll measure up and down along
    the serrations!

  49. UKDaily Mail changed their headline from quoting the shooter as saying “I’m German, Fuck foreigners” to terrorist screaming Aloha Snackbar. [I won’t dignify the murdering creed by repeating their arabic phrase. EVER.]

    nick

  50. My wife was born in Camp Zama, Japan. She has a uncertified US Army birth certificate and a USA birth certificate signed by Alexander Haig, then Secretary of State. House Representative Tom Delay got that for her as the morons at the US Passport office would not accept her Army birth certificate. Very fancy piece of paper.

    I wonder if your could put your biz in the wife’s name, move it onto the rez and not pay taxes.

  51. How will Merkel spin this one? Ban all guns! Ban all WHITEY!s! Ban all German Citizens! Let the Mooslims take over Germany with Sharia Law!

  52. I’m glad none of this terrorism stuff will ever matter to me!
    Laughing maniacally as I run away across the horizon…
    or as I duck into my rat hole…

    Rationally, the reactions of the powers that be will be much
    worse for me and much more likely than any sort of personal
    impact from actual terrorists (damn them anyway).

  53. “Hillary’s America” by D’Souza is showing at my favorite casino in Vegas, I’d go, but would get a mag emptied in me by some Klinton Krime Family Killer on the way out.

  54. Oballlicker’s timing is as bad as Al “Global Warming Speech Canceled Due to Blizzard” Gore’s.

  55. Looks like eight or nine dead, unknown wounded, and Commissar Merkel’s very own Goebbels-drone can’t confirm that it was “terrorism” yet. Aloha Snackbar! The Religion of Pieces.

    It’s getting so I wish I was 30 years younger and could volunteer again and waste as many of those fuckers as possible with whatever the latest aircrew version of the M60, but hell, I may get the chance soon enough right here in Vermont. Why fly all the way over to the Sandbox and the Suck?

  56. I find it interesting that the media describe the German “terrorist” as being from the right wing, nazi. IIRC in Europe, our left is their right and vice versa.

    In any case Hitlery is breathing a sigh of relief as this has knocked Trump off the news for today.

    Obuttwad celebrated at the White House last night with his mooslem buddies. This is just another example of the “fox being in the hen house”.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-eid-party-support-muslim-community-chants/story?id=40767754

  57. ” be will be much
    worse for me and much more likely than any sort of personal
    impact from actual terrorists”

    @spook, pray that this is true, but you might be unpleasantly surprised.

    I was about 7-8 miles from ground zero on 9-11. Just writing those words brings tears to my eyes and I still have trouble actually talking about it without breaking up. It doesn’t affect my daily life much, but it still has effects.

    nick

  58. Why fly all the way over to the Sandbox and the Suck?

    I figure that the USA government will have 20 million muslims living in a dozen PRCs in Vermont by 2100. Of course way before then, the food stamp program will be converted to a single bacon flavored soy MRE per day. Won’t that be a riot ?

    BTW, don’t tell your doctor in Vermont that you are feeling sad:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/21/vermont-doctors-push-back-against-assisted-suicide/

    “Vermont doctors and health care professionals are pushing back against an interpretation of state law that they say requires them to help kill patients who wish to die.”

  59. DH, when you’re taking care of the jihadis in your back yard, make sure you don’t catch treatment-resistant TB from them.

    Third World immigrants: the gift that keeps on giving.

  60. “…Just writing those words brings tears to my eyes and I still have trouble actually talking about it without breaking up. It doesn’t affect my daily life much, but it still has effects.”

    PTSD, bud. There it is. Ain’t just soldiers from combat. Something like that would certainly do it. You talk to anyone about it since?

    “I figure that the USA government will have 20 million muslims living in a dozen PRCs in Vermont by 2100.”

    No problemo, hermano; Mr. David Hall will have 20 million Mormons here to fight them off. I will be SO dead by then.

    “BTW, don’t tell your doctor in Vermont that you are feeling sad.”

    lol. Saw that nooz bit earlier. It’s funny ’cause the vets tell each other not to answer in the usual way when we go in for our psychiatric hearings/interviews for PTSD disability: When the doc or nurse asks how we are, we don’t say “Good” or “Great.” Oh no; we lay it on ’em how shitty we feel and how the whole week has sucked and we’re having a wicked hard time functioning, etc., etc. They exaggerate but you certainly don’t want them to think right off the bat that you’re home-free and all cured and suchlike from that stuff. It lasts a lifetime. Best we can get is some tools to help us deal with it and by talking with other combat vets. And lay off the self-medication with various substances like almost all of us have already tried. Only makes shit worse.

  61. “…make sure you don’t catch treatment-resistant TB from them.”

    Hell, we can catch that chit from the Messicans and Aztecs and other Hispanics that come up from their former shit-holes. No screening, no vetting, nada, no problemo, senor y senora!

  62. [snip] German Catholic Eagle Scouts [snip]
    Uniformed Germans are more than capable of shooting, killing, and inflicting all kinds of terror. In fairness, it must be said that they usually do it to people they see as “outsiders”.

    [snip] It’s OK to accidentally shoot a health care worker since you were trying to kill an autistic guy playing with a toy truck. Got it.[snip]
    This is America. As long as the person pulling the trigger is white (doubly so if he/she happens to have a badge) and the victim is not, most people will happily turn a blind eye. 🙁

  63. “This is America. As long as the person pulling the trigger is white (doubly so if he/she happens to have a badge) and the victim is not, most people will happily turn a blind eye.”

    The cops, black, white or Hispanic or Asian, shoot a LOT more white people than nonwhite. A LOT more. But that don’t make the MSM nooz. Only every time they shoot a nonwhite person and all hell breaks loose. Then there’s the monstrous level of black-on-white violent crime, which also doesn’t make the MSM nooz.

    “Uniformed Germans are more than capable of shooting, killing, and inflicting all kinds of terror. In fairness, it must be said that they usually do it to people they see as “outsiders”.”

    Not in the last thirty years for all of Germany and the last 70+ years for the former West Germany. And they’ve been beating themselves over the head since, even though very, very few of the uniformed Germans who did that are still alive. It’s like blaming us for slavery; we didn’t own slaves and current Afrikan-Murkans didn’t pick cotton.

  64. ” be will be much
    worse for me and much more likely than any sort of personal
    impact from actual terrorists”

    “” @spook, pray that this is true, but you might be unpleasantly surprised.

    I was about 7-8 miles from ground zero on 9-11. Just writing those words brings tears to my eyes and I still have trouble actually talking about it without breaking up. It doesn’t affect my daily life much, but it still has effects.

    nick “”

    Sorry, but I think you missed my point. At 1000 miles away from NYC,
    I was also emotionally whacked by 9-11.
    Still, _practically_ speaking, I am far much more likely to be whacked by
    power-tripping authorities using 9-11 as an excuse than by any additional
    religious fanatics (repeat: damn them) doing something near me.

  65. @spook, you must live in the woods then. But even then look at mooslim training camps in rural northern california, or outside Toronto in the Kitchener/Waterloo area.

    There is no city big or medium sized in the US without risk from the new threat.

    The threat has changed. The new threat is distributed terrorism. No grand conspiracy needed, just a guy or two and someone to possibly provide weapons. Garland TX, Chatanooga TN, Fort Hood, Killeen, these are not big cities. The new threat is anywhere a mooslim scumbag is.

    I agree that the security state and it’s excesses in reaction to 9-11 is likely to do you minor harm frequently, and possibly major harm at some point, but for severity, my money is still on the pisslamics.

    nick

  66. @OFD, funny that. I recognized the symptoms during my CERT training segment on disaster psychology. I find it very difficult to talk about (of course) and the anger that flairs is entirely reasonable, IMO. I don’t know if I want to let it go, and it’s impact on my day to day is minimal. Stopped self medicating just a bit more than 8 years ago now, so that’s not an issue.

    Of course, as the intensity of the war picks up, I might find there are more days when it does impact me, like today. They certainly are coming closer together and more frequently.

    It does motivate the preps and the training….

    nick

  67. “The new threat is anywhere a mooslim scumbag is.”

    Word.

    “… but for severity, my money is still on the pisslamics.”

    +100. And after we deal with them, there will be more scores to settle, i.e., with the fummamucking fummamuckers who keep letting them in.

    “I don’t know if I want to let it go, and it’s impact on my day to day is minimal.”

    So far. Aging can bring it out later, as we have found with ourselves and also Korean War and WWII vets. More time to think about chit.

    “Stopped self medicating just a bit more than 8 years ago now, so that’s not an issue.”

    Outstanding. Seven years for me and I was medicating like a mofo, too. Almost croaked. But one thing we’ve also learned is that no matter how long it’s been, it’s still a clear and present danger; guys who’ve been clean for decades suddenly decide, hey, one beer won’t kill me, amirite, fuck, I deserve it after all that time, amirite? Nope. Disaster, writ large.

    “Of course, as the intensity of the war picks up, I might find there are more days when it does impact me, like today.”

    Indeed. We tell guys to quit watching the fucking nooz and avoid these sorts of “triggering” events and thoughts. But guys still come in, raging at the latest shit they saw on MSNBC or Fox. Your BP goes up, heart races, adrenalin, all that stuff. I thought I was doing fine and didn’t have a worry in the world after I got out in ’75 and came back to The World. Then that first Gulf War kicked off in ’90-’91 and it was all over the tee-vee and man, did that kick my ass hard. Other ‘Nam vets were trying to volunteer to go over and do that gig again! And there WERE ‘Nam vets in the early Sandbox wars, usually career mil-spec.

    Also, I’d just come off, several years earlier, more years of street cop work under less than ideal or pleasant conditions, and that reinforced the hyper-vigilance, paranoia, ready resort to violent solutions to chit, etc. And lots more boozing. Certainly didn’t help my first marriage. And it continued into my second, until late 2009. When after almost checking out, I finally got some help.

    Thanks to the VA and other combat vets and Mrs. OFD I’m still above ground and still as clean and pure as the fucking driven snow; no booze, no ciggies, no drugs, no singing, dancing or going to the movies. Nada.

    But while battles have been won, the war won’t be over until I AM finally croaked.

    “It does motivate the preps and the training….”

    Indeed.

    And if you or anyone else wants to chat about any of this stuff, I’m your huckleberry; RBT has my email and I also have landline and smartypants phones here.

  68. [snip] The cops, black, white or Hispanic or Asian, shoot a LOT more white people than nonwhite. A LOT more. But that don’t make the MSM nooz. Only every time they shoot a nonwhite person and all hell breaks loose. [snip]

    And how many of those shootings of ofays are considered unjustified? Personally, I don’t like it when the police have to pull the trigger, but when they do they dammed sure ought to do so as a last resort. That doesn’t seem to be the case in North Miami, maybe not Baton Rouge or Minneapolis. I can think of at least three incidents here where the cops killed BLACK people without justification, and without ramification. (The last time the cops killed a WHITE person here, he was wandering around town waving a loaded shotgun at people. Turns out, he was not long out of prison and high on drugs.) Again, my beef is that the police are far too quick to pull the trigger, and that the public is far too accepting of this fact. I’ve read your comments here, and believe that you agree with at least the first part.

  69. I watched the video of the therpist and the runaway, and all I can say is that over the last 20=30 years they’ve written the rules for their own benefit, ’cause we stopped watching.

    The cop clearly gives the runaway instructions. He fails to comply. THAT NON COMPLIANCE ALLOWS THE COP TO ESCALATE TO THE NEXT LEVEL IN THE USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM. This is doctrine and training. Doesn’t matter that the guy literally can’t comply or can’t understand the direction. He’s non compliant and that means escalate.

    One of the most shocking things I got from the cop class I took was how quickly and for what reasons they feel completely justified in escalating the use of force.

    And although no one asked us, and no one told us, we still have some responsibility. Remember Rodney King? The officers were aquitted because they stayed within dept policy and training. Who oversees those policies and the training doctrine?

    nick

    pardon any mistakes, have put my medicine in my eyes and can’t really see the screen.

  70. Phew! The good news from Germany is that Merkel is safe…

    /sarcasm off

  71. I agree about the scary aspects of escalating real terrorism,
    but here in my “woods” it’s more likely in any given time-
    frame that I’ll encounter a lethal threat from a trigger-happy
    law enforcement officer or a soccer-crazed mother using an
    SUV as a weapon.

  72. “And if you or anyone else wants to chat about any of this stuff, I’m your huckleberry; RBT has my email and I also have landline and smartypants phones here.”

    ‘Preciate it.

    N

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