Category: long-term food storage

Sunday, 20 August 2017

09:04 – It was 61.6F (16.5C) when I took Colin out at 0645, partly cloudy. Colin vomited a couple more times yesterday, but he’s behaving normally otherwise and doesn’t appear to be in any distress. He has his usual amount of energy, which is to say a lot, and constantly wants to play, so I don’t think anything is really wrong with him. As James Herriot used to say, if he couldn’t catch his patients, he knew there was nothing very wrong with them.

Barbara is cleaning house this morning, after which we’ll go back to work on building science kits and getting the downstairs LTS food room cleaned up and organized. We got a lot done on that yesterday. Barbara proclaimed that she was pleased. I’m trying to get similar stuff shelved together. All the oils and fats in one place, all the meats together, all the pasta together, etc.

I was also pleased, because the counts confirmed that we’re in pretty good shape on everything. We have, for example, roughly 340 cans of meat of various sizes and types, totaling about 360 pounds. That’s about 3.6 ounces of meat per day for the 4.5 of us for a year, and doesn’t count what’s in the vertical freezer upstairs. In a long-term power-out emergency, we could of course pressure-can that as well.

We’re also in good shape on oils/fats. Again not counting butter and other oils in the big freezer upstairs, we have about 25 gallons of assorted oils/fats shelved downstairs. Even not counting the fats in canned meats, that’s sufficient lipids for the 4.5 of us for at least a year. We’re in similarly good shape on other categories like rice/flour/pasta, herbs/spices, cooking/baking essentials, canned powdered eggs/butter/cheese, etc. The only thing we’re short on at this point is vegetables.

The only exception I’m making to keeping like with like is our stock of #10 cans of LTS food from the LDS Home Storage Center and miscellaneous stuff from Augason Farms. There are roughly 240 cans (40 cases) of that, kept together in or near the LTS food room closet.

And I uncovered a science experiment at the back of the storage shelves. It’s a box of UHT half-and-half creamer packages that has a best-by date four years ago. When Barbara picked it up, she said, “EWWWW!” and carried it over to the trash can to discard. I rescued it and took it upstairs, because I intend to try it. If it sniff-tests okay, I’ll taste it, but my guess is that it’ll fail the sniff test.

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Friday, 18 August 2017

08:56 – It was 69.9F (21C) when I took Colin out at 0630, mostly cloudy and muggy. Barbara is heading for the gym and supermarket this morning, after which she’ll be working in the garden and perhaps doing some work on science kits.

I asked Barbara to pick me up a couple of bags of frozen French fries because I want to do some dehydration experiments on them. She’s going to get me a bag of the thicker, crinkle-cut fries and another of the thin, shoestring fries so that I can compare the dehydration properties of each. My guess is that the shoestring fries will dehydrate better, simply because they have a larger surface area to volume ratio, but we’ll see. I will, of course, weigh the specimens before dehydrating them and then after different drying periods to calculate the percentage moisture and moisture loss of each.


We were just discussing this morning that we’re both very glad that Sparta is outside the path of totality for the eclipse. It’s going to be a real mess in that path across rural and small-town America. These areas simply aren’t capable of dealing with a massive influx of people. Gas stations will run out of fuel, supermarkets and restaurants will run out of food, Roach Motels will be charging $1,000 per night, emergency and medical services will be swamped, and so on. Even the roads aren’t designed to support the volume they may see. Dealing with even minor breakdowns and flat tires will be frustrating and time-consuming. EMS in many areas will be slow to respond because they’ll be in such high demand. Rural emergency rooms will be packed. Tempers will fray. Fist fights and worse will be frequent. We’re well out of it.


I write often about long-term food storage, but I got an interesting email yesterday that makes it clear I need to mention short-term food storage. This woman is in her late 30’s and is preparing only for herself and her daughter, age 15. She has several months’ worth of LTS food. Everything except meats, which presents a problem for her.

They’d like to buy a supply of Keystone Meats 28-ounce cans and put them on the shelf. They’ve already ordered small numbers of the various Keystone Meats, and like all of them. The problem is, she’s looking at the possibility of a long-term emergency where refrigeration is not available, and a 28-ounce can is too much for the two of them to eat at one sitting.

So their LTS pantry currently has maybe a 3-month supply of 12.5-ounce cans of Costco chicken, and not much other meat. Freeze-dried meats are out of the question cost-wise. Neither of them particularly likes canned tuna or salmon, and both of them despise Spam. They both like chicken, but not every day. She’d like to store a lot more variety in her canned meats. So what are the alternatives?

First, she can actively search out smaller cans of different meats. Keystone does sell all of their meats in smaller (14.5-ounce) cans, but the cost per ounce is much higher, and those smaller cans can be difficult to find. Costco used to carry 12-ounce cans of Harvest Creek Pulled Pork, but no longer does so. (We just moved the last cans of that pulled pork from the deep pantry up to the kitchen. They have a best-by date of 6/27/17.) Costco does offer 12-ounce cans of roast beast for about $3.50 per can. It’s not Barbara’s favorite, but she will eat it. She’s not a big beef eater anyway. I think it’s pretty good, about equivalent to Keystone beef chunks. There are also alternatives like DAK canned hams that might be worth taste-testing.

Second, she can pressure-can meats herself, as several of the Prepper Girls do. After the upfront cost of a decent pressure canner and related supplies, it’ll cost her about $0.75 to put up a one-pint (one pound) jar of whatever meats she wants to store. And, of course, the cost of the meat itself, but she can buy that in bulk when it’s on sale. It’s a lot of time, work, and fuel, but depending on what meats she decides to pressure-can, it’ll probably be about break-even cost-wise compared to buying commercially-canned meats. And it’s perfectly safe if she follows USDA recommendations.

I’ll call home pressure-canning MTS, medium-term storage, if only because some vendors of canning jars and lids have made some disturbing statements about how long their products will maintain a safe seal. At one point, some vendors were saying only one year, but I believe they’ve upped that to 18 months now. Still, in the past we all assumed that pressure-canned foods would remain safe for many year or even decades, so these new recommendations are disturbing. I’m not sure what’s changed to cause the dramatic reduction in rated shelf life. Perhaps the shift away from BPA?

Third, just because you don’t have refrigeration doesn’t mean you can’t preserve meats from day to day. For thousands of years, people have used pottage to do just that, particularly during the winter months. A pot of a meat dish kept on low heat remains good for a long, long time. Back the middle ages, people kept pottage going for literally months on end, adding things to the pot every day–from a scoop of grain or beans to some chunks of rabbit or squirrel or quail or whatever meat they could get–and eating their meals from it.

We could do exactly that here if it ever became necessary. Our propane supply is large enough to keep the smallest burner on our cooktop running 24/7 on low for many years. If we were heating with our wood stove in a long-term emergency, we could also use that. Or, in the winter, of course, we’d have outdoors refrigeration.

But summer or winter, there’s an easier solution based on modern technology: the vacuum bottle. We keep two or three of these wide-mouth vacuum bottles on hand, and they’re capable of keep hot foods hot overnight. So, for example, we might make up a pot of beef with barley soup or beef stew or whatever. After the meal, we’d transfer the leftovers, still hot, into one or more of these Thermos bottles, where they’d still be perfectly safe to eat 24 hours later. Or we could simply transfer the hot Dutch oven to one of our large coolers, which would keep the food hot enough to prevent microorganisms from growing in it.

She also ended her message by commenting on a question I’ve raised more than once: why do people listen to me? Her answer was, “Because you obviously know what you’re talking about. You don’t pretend to know about things you don’t know, you admit it when you’re wrong and you’re not trying to sell me anything. This is the only prepping web site I’ve seen like that.”

While I appreciate the sentiment, I’m still in the same boat as everyone else: I don’t know what I don’t know. And even more worrying is the things I think I know that I turn out to be wrong about. Still, I just realized that as of this year I’ve been a prepper for 55 years, ever since the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, so I’ve had time to figure a lot of stuff out by actual experience.

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Thursday, 17 August 2017

08:57 – It was 65.3F (18.5C) when I took Colin out at 0650, clear and sunny.

While Barbara was down in Winston yesterday, I spent some time working downstairs in the food storage areas. I found the four #10 cans of Augason Powdered Whole Eggs I’d ordered a couple of months ago, and moved them into the freezer, where they joined seven other cans of eggs. That’s roughly equivalent to 65 dozen fresh eggs. Not that we’ll be eating scrambled eggs or anything, but over the course of a year that gives us a couple eggs a day for making up pancakes or whatever.

The remainder of the freezer space is filled with vitamins and other mostly OTC drugs, which leaves the refrigerator. I’m currently moving a couple hundred 28-ounce cans of Keystone Meats and 12.5-ounce cans of Costco chicken into the refrigerator, which’ll extend their real-world shelf lives by a factor of at least four. I’d like to get us eventually up to one can of meat per day for a year. That won’t all fit in the refrigerator, obviously, but the more we can fit in there, the better. Eventually, I want to start pressure-canning meats, like the sausage Barbara gets at Costco. I may even try pressure-canning bacon.

Any space left in the refrigerator for now will be filled with #10 cans of Augason powdered cheese and butter, 15-ounce jars of Bertolli Alfredo sauce, and perhaps a few bottles of olive oil. When we’re finished, that refrigerator/freezer will be jam-packed with relatively high-value food.

I’ll keep the oldest stuff on the shelves at room temperature, where we’ll use it first. Room temperature downstairs, particularly in the unfinished area, is noticeably cooler than upstairs. In cold weather, it gets positively chilly down there.

I’m moving most oils/fats, syrups, vinegar, etc. to the upper, less accessible shelves in the unfinished area. Currently, there are seven or eight gallons of pancake syrup, a couple gallons of white vinegar, and about five gallons of vegetable/olive oil on the top shelf. They’ll soon be joined by a dozen 3-pound cans of shortening, a 3-gallon jug of peanut oil, several more gallons of vegetable/olive oil, and a gallon or two of wine vinegar.


Speaking of oils/fats/lipids reminds me of something I’ve meant to mention for a while. The LDS Church LTS recommendation is to store one quart/liter of oils per person per month, or about 2 pounds’ worth. Keep in mind that the current LDS iron-ration recommendations are for a minimal diet to sustain life, so you should consider them an absolute minimum.

The LDS recommendations are particularly light on oils/fats. Overall, the recommended amounts provide about 2,200 calories/day. Carbohydrates and proteins both average about 1,700 calories/pound, give or take. Oils average about 4,000 calories per pound. That means that the LDS recommendations provide a diet in which only about 12% of the calories come from fats. That’s much, much lower than a typical American diet, which yields somewhere in the 25% to 35% range of calories from fats. A diet that’s too low in lipids can have undesirable gastrointestinal and other effects, and should be avoided.

So instead of storing only one quart/liter per person-month, my goal is to store about twice that much, and I recommend that others do the same. Call it two quarts/liters or 4 pounds per person-month. That’s roughly six gallons or 48 pounds per person-year, or 27 gallons/216 pounds for the 4.5 of us.

You can store the bulk of your oils/fats supply as the obvious items: vegetable/olive oil and shortening. But other fatty items like butter, ghee, lard, peanut butter, mayonnaise, and so on also count towards the total.

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Tuesday, 15 August 2017

08:44 – It was 68.0F (20C) when I took Colin out at 0650, overcast and calm. We had another 0.6″ of rain overnight, which takes us to about 4.4″ (11 cm) over the last three days. Things are damp. More work on science kits this morning. Barbara is volunteering at the Friends bookstore this afternoon. She’s also making a quick run down to Winston tomorrow, leaving in the morning and returning in the afternoon. She’ll make a Home Depot run while she’s down there to pick up a few items, including another platform ladder to use downstairs and a gallon of VM&P naphtha, which is excellent fuel for Zippo lighters.

Amongst other things, we got 50 pounds each of sugar and rice repackaged yesterday. We repackaged the sugar into 14 of those 1.75-liter Tropicana orange juice bottles, at just a fraction over 3.5 pounds per bottle. The rice went into a dozen 2-liter soft drink bottles, at 4 pounds per bottle. The little bit remaining in the large bag went into our kitchen storage. We could have repackaged the sugar in 2-liter soft drink bottles. Like rice, sugar is free flowing, so the smaller mouth of the bottle isn’t a problem. But the 2-liter bottles don’t fit well on our kitchen shelves, which is where we keep at least 50 pounds of sugar at all times.

We still have a 50-pound bag of white flour to repackage, which is a pain in the ass because it’s so fluffy. That’ll go into 1-gallon Costco water bottles, at about 7 pounds per bottle.

Barbara was texting back and forth with her friend JoAnne yesterday. They’ve decided to get a Border Collie puppy. Barbara warned her that adopting a BC puppy is kind of like adopting a Tasmanian Devil, so JoAnne is aware of what they’ll be taking on.


We finished The Hollow Crown last night. It was terrible. The production values were excellent, and it had good acting. It was just so politically correct that I consider it unwatchable.

The PC rot in video first became really noticeable 20 years ago or so, and has really accelerated in the last ten. So we’re shifting our TV viewing to older stuff. There are hundreds of series to pick from. Many of those we first watched 25 years ago or more, so they’re now effectively new to us. Many others we never got around to watching back then, so they’re completely new to us. With very few exceptions, anything made in the last 10 or 15 years simply isn’t worth watching. If the price of watching old stuff is that it’s in 4:3 SD instead of 16:9 HD, we don’t care. Lipstick on a pig still leaves it a pig.

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Friday, 4 August 2017

08:57 – It was 61.1F (16C) when I took Colin out at 0630, clear and calm. The little dog was nowhere to be seen, although Colin did a lot of sniffing and peeing.

We got a bunch of kit subassemblies built yesterday. Barbara is volunteering from mid-morning to mid-afternoon, so I’ll probably just make up more chemicals while she’s gone. She had a big pile of mulch delivered yesterday. The truck dumped it where she specified, in the driveway. I’m guessing she’ll spend some time this afternoon getting it moved where she wants it.

Grace’s aunt and uncle close on Bonnie’s former house today, so my guess is Grace will probably start moving in later today or over the weekend. I’m sure Barbara and I will drop by at some point to help her with the move. I’m sure we’ll exchange phone numbers and probably house keys, as neighbors do.

I ran out of coffee this morning, so I needed to open a new can. In the past, Barbara had bought Costco Kirkland house-brand coffee in 2.5-pound (1.14-kilo) retort bags, which are about as good as cans for LTS. Lately, she’s been buying it in 3-pound #10 cans, which is what I opened this morning.

I’d pulled out a can opener, but as it turned out that wasn’t needed. When I popped the plastic lid off the can, I saw that it was sealed with aluminum foil with a pull tab. Easier to deal with, and as good as a standard metal can as far as LTS storage goes.

Until I was in my mid-20’s, I drank Pepsi by preference. Then, for some reason, I started drinking Coke, which I’ve been drinking for about 40 years now. But I find annoying the pricing games soft-drink companies and supermarkets play with their fizzy flavored water, so I decided to opt out of their games. A couple of months ago, the best price locally on 2-liter Cokes was something like $1.50 each, while 2-liter Pepsi was on sale for $0.89. Screw Coke. I told Barbara to pick me up whichever was on sale for $0.89 or $0.99 per bottle, and that’s what she’s been doing ever since. Either type of bottle is fine for LTS food repackaging.

But I learn something new every day. I’d assumed that Coke and Pepsi bottles were pretty much identical until I was repackaging cornmeal the other day. I put all but one bottle’s worth of the cornmeal in Pepsi bottles, but had to use a Coke bottle for the final 3.5 pounds. They were sitting on the dining room table, near my desk, awaiting oxygen absorbers when I happened to notice that the Coke bottle was noticeably taller than the Pepsi bottles, by maybe 1.25″.

No big deal, obviously, unless you happen to have built LTS shelves with spacing intended to fit Pepsi bottles and then find that you need to shelve a bunch of Coke bottles.


09:29 – And I see that Google has completely jumped the shark with YouTube and joined the dark side.

YouTube Takes Controversial Steps To Censor Non-Leftists

FTA:

Stating that the content is “controversial,” not the censorship itself, YouTube has taken the first few steps to censor dissenting views. But it gets worse. YouTube will also begin to censor your searches and fill the results with propaganda while on its website.

Last night, YouTube took to its “Official Blog” to more or less announce that they would be taking steps to censor content they determined to be “controversial,” even if that content didn’t break any laws or violate the site’s user agreement. The message made a pledge to be part of an effort to “fight terror content online.” But the move was rightly met with widespread skepticism among YouTuber’s as nothing more than a thinly-veiled attempt to censor conservative speech.

It’s not just “controversial” content creators that will be impacted as anyone who merely searches for keywords that YouTube deems ‘questionable’, for whatever reason, will be promptly redirected to propaganda videos intended to “directly confront and debunk” whatever questionable content that user was looking for. Meaning, you’ll be bombarded with the right kind of propaganda approved by YouTube designed to get you thinking the way YouTube insists upon.

So, in addition to “demonetizing” such content and removing it from search results, YouTube will actively redirect searches for such material to propaganda videos designed to reeducate us Deplorables.

Fuck Google and YouTube.

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Sunday, 30 July 2017

09:37 – It was 59.0F (15C) when I took Colin out at 0650, bright and breezy. I wore a jacket for the first time since last spring.

We got two bills yesterday from Shaw Brothers, one for all the work they did to repair the first flood, and the second for replacing the water heater. The first was about $500 higher than they’d quoted, which was fine. They’d quoted us on installing a drop ceiling downstairs and replacing the cherry flooring in the master bath. We ended up choosing a more expensive ceiling tile than they’d quoted, and having them install ceramic tile rather than hardwood in the master bath. The water heater replacement cost $700 and change, including the new 50-gallon water heater and labor to install it. What we haven’t gotten yet is the bill for digging up the septic tank and repairing the problem.

We’re still binge-watching the excellent Australian soap opera, A Place to Call Home–which has first-rate writing and a top-notch cast–and the excellent British drama Dalziel and Pascoe, which has the delightful Susannah Corbett, although not enough of her.

The show-runner for the former series, Bevan Lee, started out as a writer, and it shows. He’s also done several other series, which I’m going to see if I can get. Barbara and I just looked at the “what’s new in August” for Netflix and Amazon streaming, and, unless we somehow overlooked something worthwhile, it’s a vast wasteland.

Barbara is finally pretty happy with the state of the house, but is making up a list of other stuff we need to do. We have lots of science kit stuff on the schedule for August, of course, but she also wants to get the LTS food that’s still sitting around in boxes and bags–about 250 pounds of it–repackaged and stowed away down in the LTS food room.

We’re eating now mostly from the garden and LTS foods. Last night, we had ham steak with green beans and bacon and fresh cornbread. We also made up a batch of oatmeal cookies for a snack.

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Monday, 24 July 2017

09:06 – It was 68.0F (20C) when I took Colin out at 0730, cloudy and breezy. We had a strong thunderstorm roll in about midnight, with loud thunder and bright lightning. Colin was terrified and started climbing all over us, begging us to make it stop. We ended up getting about 1.2″ (3 cm) of rain.

We got a lot of chemical bottles filled yesterday. More today. Barbara is off to the gym this morning. While she’s gone I’ll make up more chemicals, a gallon (4 L) each of salicylate standard solution, 1.0 M stabilized sodium thiosulfate solution, 6 M hydrochloric acid solution, etc. etc. With the dozen or so other solutions I’ve made up over the last couple of days, that gives us plenty of bottles to fill.

Email from Kathy overnight, who says Phase I of their prepping is now complete, other than a few items that are still on order and haven’t arrived and the installation of their propane tank and appliances. That happens this week. They’re taking a break from buying/stacking stuff, and intend to start actually using it. The first step was last night, when they made beef Stroganoff all from LTS storage. She said it turned out very good.

Their intention now is to start cooking and baking at least several days a week from LTS, with minimal use of fresh foods until they find recipes they like that they can make from LTS food. Going forward, they’ll periodically replace what they’ve used and continue to expand on what they have until they’ve filled their storage space. She and Mike were both impressed by just how little the bulk food/calories cost them, so they’ll focus their expansion efforts on the cheap LTS bulk stuff so that they’ll have extra on hand to help friends and neighbors if it ever comes to that.

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Wednesday, 12 July 2017

09:19 – It was 67.3F (19.5C) when I took Colin out at 0710, hazy and bright. Barbara is off to help the Friends of the Library haul a bunch of books.

Justin showed up yesterday morning to install the downstairs floor. He spent hours doing prep work and then hours more actually installing the floor. As with many jobs, the key is to prep well. He just showed up a couple of minutes ago to finish up downstairs and then get started on the master bathroom upstairs, where he’ll be laying ceramic tile.


Barbara will be delighted to hear that I’m going to start using most of our stock of 2-liter soft drink bottles to store water instead of food. I’m not sure how many we have on-hand, but it should be enough to store another few hundred liters of drinking water. I’ll continue using some 2-liter bottles to store sugar, rice, and other dry bulk foods that fit into them easily, but we’ll use most of them for water storage.

I debated between storing untreated well water, which of course we drink routinely now, and chlorinating the water as we fill the bottles. I’ll probably just store raw well water, since we’ll continue to store commercial bottled water as well. In a long-term emergency, we could drink the commercial bottled water and use the raw well water for flushing toilets (or, for that matter, in cooking where the water would be boiled). And if worse comes to horrible, we could chlorinate the raw well water for drinking.

I’ll fill the 2-liter bottles just full enough that they can freeze without bursting the bottles. That way, we could even store them under a tarp outdoors if we want to. A 2-liter bottle is just under 13″ (33 cm) tall and about 4″ (10 cm) in diameter, so a space 80″ (2 meters) square by 40″ (1 meter) tall would be enough space to store 1,200 2-liter bottles, holding 2,400 liters (600 gallons) of water. In terms of space efficiency that’d be 2,400/4,000 or 60% efficient. Pretty darned good.


Email from Kathy. She and Mike took some of the Nestle Nido that they’d made up according to instructions, which was too rich for them, and tried diluting it with more water. To make a long story short, they decided that using 1.5 times the amount of water specified (which yields five gallons per can of Nido) was pretty close to the 2% fresh milk they ordinarily use, perhaps a bit richer. It’s not homogenized, of course, so you have to give it a good shake, but it tastes fine.

With four of them, including two teenagers, they normally go through a couple of gallons per week. Call it 100 gallons per year. That’s 20 cans at the dilution they prefer. She’s still a bit concerned about best-by dates, so she decided to order five of the large cans–a three-month supply–as well as four of the small cans, which she’ll date and taste-test 12, 18, 24, and 36 months out to see how well they store. After they have some long-term experience drinking the stuff, assuming they’re still happy with it, she plans to order 20 more large cans to give them their year’s supply. But she’s reasonably satisfied that she’s found a solution to their LTS milk needs.

She also intends to do some testing with Nido to see if it will also satisfy their other dairy needs/wants. She plans to try using Nido to make up cream, buttermilk, yogurt, and possibly butter and cheese. She promises to keep me posted. I appreciate that, because I don’t have time to test everything I’d like to test.

And I sent Kathy’s email address to the Prepper Girls, so my guess is that they’ll be scheming together before long. In fact, they may end up doing a face-to-face meetup, since several of them live in Virginia, Tennessee, Georgia, and Kentucky, all within a couple or three hours’ drive of Kathy.

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Tuesday, 11 July 2017

08:21 – It was 67.2F (19.5C) when I took Colin out at 0710, hazy but bright.

The installers are supposed to show up later this morning to get our downstairs floor installed. They’re putting in LVT, Luxury Vinyl Tile, that looks just like hardwood but has the immense virtue of being entirely waterproof. That’s the last thing remaining downstairs, other than getting the ceiling light fixtures replaced and everything cleaned, dusted, and moved back into place. The work crew may also install the ceramic tile in the master bathroom upstairs, although that’s a much lower priority.


Followup email yesterday from Kathy.

She forgot to mention that, on their way to Sam’s Club Saturday, they decided to take a detour and stop at the Walmart Supercenter in Norton, Virginia, where they routinely shop once a month or so. It’s about 30 miles and 45 minutes from where they live. It doesn’t stock the bulk stuff they wanted–large bags of flour, sugar, etc.–whence the Sam’s Club run.

But it does stock some stuff they wanted to try before they bought it in quantity, including the Great Value instant dry milk, Nestle Nido. and Keystone meats. The latter was actually cheaper there, at $5.58/can versus $6.28/can on-line. The trouble was, the store didn’t carry all of the meats Keystone offers, and they had only a few cans in stock of the ones they did carry. So they bought all of the Keystone Meats 28-ounce cans that were on the shelf, and test containers of the milks.

The Walmart Great Value instant dry milk costs about $3.62/pound, versus a buck or so less for the LDS dry milk, but Kathy was concerned about what I (and Angela Paskett) said about it not being very good to drink. They picked up a can of Nestle Nido to test as well. It runs about $4.37/pound, which isn’t a huge difference, but Kathy is mainly concerned about shelf life, since they don’t have much freezer space. Kathy was pleased that both milks are already packaged for LTS. The Nido comes in a can, albeit a foil-layered cardboard one–and the Great Value in a foil pouch inside the cardboard box. The Nido had a best-by date 14 months out, and the GV instant dry milk about 17 months. She figures both will remain usable for far longer, even just sitting on the pantry shelf.

They made up a quart/liter of each Saturday evening, and stuck it in the refrigerator. They taste-tested it Sunday morning with breakfast. She and Mike agreed that the GV instant dry milk wasn’t horrible, but it wasn’t great, either. It reminded them of regular skim milk, which neither of them particularly cares for. The Nido was better, much richer than the 2% fresh milk they normally drink, and much better than the non-fat dry milk. They plan to give the LDS dry milk a pass and order an as-yet undetermined mix of the GV instant dry milk and the Nestle Nido dry whole milk.

Kathy says that if she wasn’t concerned the Nido would have a shorter shelf-life than the non-fat dry milk, she’d order all Nido. Mixed according to directions, the Nido yields 53 cups (3.3125 gallons) per can. Presumably, since it’s labeled as “whole milk”, that provides a butterfat content up around 5% or more. She says they’d probably be happy using a can to make up twice the nominal amount, which would make the Nido actually cheaper than the GV instant non-fat dry milk and for that matter little more per gallon than she pays for 2% milk. I suggested that since the Nido costs about the same per gallon as the 2% fresh milk they usually drink, she should just go ahead and stock up on it and start using it exclusively, assuming they like the diluted version. She knows the Nido will last 18 months and probably longer even at room temperature. Since they’re not going to be storing several years’ worth of dry milk, why not just buy a bunch and rotate it? I also suggested that she buy at least three small cans of Nido, stick them on the pantry shelf, and open one after 12 months, another at 18 months, and the third at two years. That way, she can get a direct comparison of older versus fresh Nido and determine real-world shelf-life for herself.

And–I was waiting for this to happen–Kathy wants me to put her in contact with Jen, Brittany, and the rest of the Prepper Girls. They’re going to take over the world, I tell you.

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Monday, 10 July 2017

08:54 – It was 66.3F (19C) when I took Colin out at 0710, partly cloudy and calm. Barbara is going to the gym this morning and has a meeting of the Friends of the Library after lunch. Otherwise, more work on science kits today.

The finished area downstairs is complete except for the flooring, which is to be installed around the 18th. It will be a relief to get the piles of furniture and other stuff back where they belong. Barbara has gotten things down there to the point where we can at least get to most of the stuff in the deep pantry room and the unfinished area where we do science kits.

My next project will be to install more shelving in the unfinished area and in the spare bedroom’s closet, what Barbara calls the water closet. That’s roughly 10 feet (3 M) deep, but only 40″ (1 M) wide, so I think we’ll mount shelves on only one of the long walls and the end wall. We’ll start those about three feet (1 M) off the floor to leave room to stack cases of bottled water and other bulky items under them.


More email from Kathy. She and Mike left on a big Sam’s Club run early Saturday morning. They filled up the back of her full-size SUV, as well as a trailer they’d borrowed from a friend. Their nearest Sam’s Clubs, one each in Virginia and Tennessee, are about equidistant from them. Either is about a three-hour round-trip drive. So they wanted to make their trip count. They did.

They returned with 400 pounds of white flour, 400 pounds of white rice, 400 pounds of assorted pasta, 300 pounds of white sugar, 120 pounds of oats, 100 pounds of assorted dry beans, 80 pounds of cornmeal, 48 pounds of iodized salt, 6 pounds of cornstarch, a couple dozen large jars of herbs and spices, 18 gallons of vegetable oil and shortening, 10 gallons of pancake/waffle syrup, several cases each of canned meats, soups, sauces, and vegetables, assorted miscellany like batteries, lanterns, etc., and a partridge in a pear tree. They bought something like a full ton of dry bulk foods and probably another ton of wet stuff. They had to make several trips in and out of Sam’s to get all this stuff, and Kathy said they’d prioritized ahead of time because they were actually concerned that they’d fill up her SUV and the trailer. Which they almost did.

When they got back they were faced with unloading all the stuff, which was worse than having to load it in the first place. They got the trailer unloaded first so they could return it to their friend, and then spent most of yesterday unloading her SUV and getting everything stacked neatly in preparation for repackaging. At least they have a basement garage, so they didn’t need to haul the stuff very far, let alone up or down stairs. During breaks from unloading/stacking yesterday, Kathy put in a bunch of orders with Walmart.com and Amazon.com for Keystone Meats, Augason Farms supplemental stuff, and so on. Not to mention an order with LDS online for foil-laminate Mylar bags and oxygen absorbers.

Kathy says they actually spent, or at least allocated to spend, more than the $6,000 that they’d been about to spend on the packaged 4 person/year kit from Costco, but they ended up with a lot more food and a lot better food than they’d have gotten with the package. What really, really hit her and Mike about my first email to them was that the package was something like 95% vegetable protein, and that little bit came from dried dairy and eggs. No meat whatsoever. All soy. Neither of them has eaten much TVP meat substitutes, ever. Both are whatever the opposite of a vegetarian/vegan is, and both of them are immensely relieved that they now have a lot of actual meat stored, with a lot more to arrive from Walmart once they’ve had a chance to try the sample cans they ordered and then order more, assuming they like them. Now all they have to do is repackage all the bulk food, which’ll be a job.

I don’t really have an adequate sample size to make any generalizations, but one thing that strikes me is that Kathy–like Jen, Brittany, and several other women who’ve contacted me–doesn’t mess around. I think it must be a girl thing. Guys tend to start prepping more gradually, dipping their toes in the water and then gradually building steam. Women tend to wait until they’re sure it’s what they want to do, and then dive in headfirst. I can count on the fingers of one finger the guys I’ve heard from who went from 0 to 60 in 0.1 seconds, but that seems to be almost the norm with women. Obviously, finances play a huge role, but within the limits of what they can afford, it seems that women get serious a whole lot faster than guys do.

So if you’re a guy who wants to prep but your wife objects, take heart. She may do a 180 on you. For that matter, if you’re a woman who want to prep and are facing objections from your husband, take heart. He may change his mind as well. I don’t know exactly what happens. Maybe there’s a trigger event or news story that bumps non-preppers over the edge into prepping. Or maybe it’s just the drip-drip-drip of the constant series of news stories on things that shouldn’t be happening but increasingly are. Or it may be some combination of factors. But whatever it is, don’t give up hope.

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