Fri, Nov 10, Nick still….

Today started a bit on the cool side, high 40s, low 50s and you could see your breath.

Nice clear sky.

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As this is “the end of the week” I expect our host is currently under the knife, or will be soon. Barbara and Bob, please accept what spiritual support we can offer, and give us an update when you are able.

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Perhaps more later.

n

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58 Responses to Fri, Nov 10, Nick still….

  1. Dave says:

    Here is Barbara’s Thursday update about RBT:

    Down to Winston today. I had a 10:30 haircut appointment. From there on to the hospital to visit Bob. He is doing okay. Not sure when the procedure will be but they are doing tests to get him strong enough for the bypass.

  2. DadCooks says:

    Thanks @OFD.

    From the “…but they are doing tests to get him strong enough for the bypass.” bit indicates that @RBT is not currently the strong horse that he thought he was.

    Some of it could be psychosomatic. Not at all surprising when we are present with the facts of our own mortality and health.

    Extra prayers for Robert, Barbara, and the Medical Team. There is bright sun ahead.

  3. JimL says:

    Cloudy, cold, and windy here. Some of my friends are bragging about having their snow brushes still in their cars from last winter. They’re lazy & whiny. I kind of like the weather today. Brisk.

    Prayers for Bob & OFD.

  4. brad says:

    Thanks for the update – here’s hoping his operation is over soon, and fully successful!

  5. lynn says:

    Some of it could be psychosomatic. Not at all surprising when we are present with the facts of our own mortality and health.

    It took me years to mentally deal with the heart problems that I have. When I found out eight years ago that my right coronary artery was totally plugged and the back side of my heart was dead, I had to realize that I was no longer Superman. It is very much an ego shot. In fact, I may still not have dealt with it 100%. I can joke about it little bit now but not much.

    I just realized the other day that I am now a month older than my great-grandfather in Wharton, Texas who was 57 when he passed away in 1940 from multiple heart attacks over two years. He never walked again due to angina after the initial heart attack when he was 55. His genetic legacy has been rampant throughout my mother’s generation and my generation. One of my mother’s first cousins died of a heart attack when he was 21. Two of my first cousins were born with holes in their hearts (blue babies) of which one has had multiple open heart surgeries (3 days old and 11 years old) to patch. She is now 45 and hanging in there.

  6. lynn says:

    So what was the age of consent in Alabama in 1979 ?
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html

    It does not really matter though. She said no and he stopped. This is a tempest in a teapot.

  7. Dave says:

    I had heard the story about two idiots adrift at sea, and through what made it into the lamestream media made no sense. I stumbled across two links that make much more sense than anything I’d heard before. The second link is very, very NSFW.

    Safe for work

    NOT Safe For Work

    Patiently waiting for our host to recover and return to his post to lecture me about putting such an inappropriate link on his web site.

    This story goes to show how flawed journalism is today, and that it goes beyond a desire to spin things to a certain worldview. I’m not saying journalism is not biased to a certain view.

  8. Greg Norton says:

    So what was the age of consent in Alabama in 1979 ?

    In the early-80s in KY, 15 could marry with parental consent.

    I know this because a girl in my high school married a 40-something guy there ~ 1984. Since the parents were Corvette fanatics and the groom was the leading Corvette salesman in our area, Bowling Green was the location of choice for the wedding.

    Damn, if they’re still married, the guy has gotta be pushing 80 now. 75 easy.

    Update: KY raised the minimum age to 16 with parental permission, but neighbor MO still allows 15 with parental consent. Age of consent in AL is 16.

  9. JimL says:

    When I was growing up, a middle-school teacher married his 14-year old daughter’s friend. Seems there was a loophole in the law that allowed common-law marriages at that age. His parents went to the church I attended. It was quite the scandal.

    I don’t know how it all ended as I’ve never cared enough to pay attention to things like that. She would have to be around 50 now, and he would be nearly 70.

    The things we remember as we grow older…

  10. brad says:

    @Dave: Geez, what a pair of loons – pretty clearly trying to sell a made-up story for riches and fame. Or something. Made for entertaining reading, though…

    Here, I’m sorry to say that we are now engaging lawyers. That business about “when does incompetence become malice”: our new attorney has written the notary who closed the land deal for us (the stuff that was retroactively rezoned). A notary here, btw, does the work of an attorney when it comes to closing contracts – it’s more than just a witness and a fancy stamp.

    Anyhow, he refuses to turn over his files on the contract to our attorney, even though we paid his work. He claims that the other party was his real client, and he is entitled to attorney-client privilege. So it looks like he had an undisclosed conflict of interest, and probably lied to us (we have his signature on a letter saying he had verified the zoning). The question will be: can we prove it with enough certainty to be worth taking him to court, or at least intimidate him into paying a serious settlement?

  11. nick flandrey says:

    “or at least intimidate him into paying a serious settlement?”

    As a professional service provider, shouldn’t he be carrying the equivalent of “Errors and Omissions” insurance? I do…because I used to advise clients on really big purchases.

    n

  12. lynn says:

    Anyhow, he refuses to turn over his files on the contract to our attorney, even though we paid his work. He claims that the other party was his real client, and he is entitled to attorney-client privilege. So it looks like he had an undisclosed conflict of interest, and probably lied to us (we have his signature on a letter saying he had verified the zoning). The question will be: can we prove it with enough certainty to be worth taking him to court, or at least intimidate him into paying a serious settlement?

    Some people, me included, would call this fraud. You might also want to file a police report.

  13. brad says:

    @Nick: Yes, but it undoubtedly won’t cover deliberate malfeasance. Anyhow, I trust our attorney to know the angles – that’s her job, and I have a good impression of her so far.

  14. Dave says:

    When I was 35 I was at dinner with my dad and his family. My dad pointed out that our waitress was cute and that I could ask her out. I dismissed the idea by pointing out that our waitress was only 18 and that her father would kill me. Something came up with one of my dad’s rental properties, so I left to take care of it so he could continue talking with his family. He discussed my response with the waitress, and she inadvertently pointed out that I was quite correct in my assumption. You see, she disagreed because she was 19, not 18.

    Could I have dated her? Well, yes. What would we have done together, other than the obvious thing? I was looking for more than just a hookup, and I suspect our interests would be very different. For example, my taste in music probably bears an uncanny resemblance to the stuff her parents listen to.

  15. lynn says:

    Rush Lambaugh’s advice to Roy Moore, “My Advice to Judge Moore: Hire Hillary”
    https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2017/11/10/my-advice-to-judge-moore-hire-hillary/

    I don’t remember Hillary getting disbarred like her husband so, she might be available. And, Hillary is unemployed at the moment. “snicker”

  16. lynn says:

    A friend of mine is 72. His wife is 45. They met in Venezuela 25 years ago when he was working in the oil fields there. She was a teacher from Brazil working in Venezuela. First marriage for both of them. They have an 18 year old son and a 16 year old son. Life is great for them. He is now raising his boys to be men and she works for the Brazilian embassy here in Houston.

  17. SteveF says:

    I’m not interested in dating a woman young enough to be my daughter.

    I’ll aim for one young enough to be my granddaughter. An 18-y-o could be my granddaughter, but it would be kind of pushing it. I’ll see if any 14-year-olds are interested.

    If anyone has any other tips for driving my wife straight into apoplectic rage, don’t hesitate to share. Thanks!

  18. Al says:

    I dated a 17 year old when I was 27. We actually were together for a number of years. Her parents didn’t have a problem with it, my parents didn’t have a problem with it and at the time, we were happy together. We both eventually moved on, but we’re still friends and I don’t believe she ever considered herself a victim.

    Now a days, they’d throw me in jail.

  19. Dave says:

    Geez, what a pair of loons – pretty clearly trying to sell a made-up story for riches and fame. Or something. Made for entertaining reading, though…

    Yes, they are obviously a pair of loons. Not sure whether they set out to sell their story or not. No doubt someone will persuade them to do so, even if that was not their intention.

  20. ech says:

    It does not really matter though. She said no and he stopped. This is a tempest in a teapot.

    It does matter. He’s an idiot for even asking. It’s time they figure out a way to replace him on the ballot or failing that, have him resign after winning the seat.

  21. DadCooks says:

    When I was 18 I dated a 27-year old, lasted for 2-years. When we would go out they would card her and see that she was 27, they didn’t bother to card me. Fond and fun memories.

  22. lynn says:

    It does matter. He’s an idiot for even asking. It’s time they figure out a way to replace him on the ballot or failing that, have him resign after winning the seat.

    Funny, the USA Constitution does not seem to say anything about that.

  23. lynn says:

    Now a days, they’d throw me in jail.

    Depends on the State. I don’t where we in the USA came up with the concept that the age of consent is 18. Men are men and women are women and those transformations happen way before the age of 18.

    14 is probably the correct place to set the age of consent. We keep on trying to legislate morality in the USA and making criminals out of everyone. Texas is currently considering raising the smoking age from 18 to 21, now that is a laugh.

  24. SteveF says:

    I have a plan: kill all the busybodies.

    Now, I realize that most of my plans involve killing a lot of people, but c’mon: Does anyone doubt that the world would be a better place without those buttinskies?

  25. dkreck says:

    @SteveF
    I have a plan: kill all the busybodies.

    +1000

  26. lynn says:

    “Oklahoma Woman Who Married Mother Pleads Guilty To Incest”
    http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/11/10/oklahoma-woman-who-married-mother-pleads-guilty-to-incest/

    What in the world ??? Were they afraid of them having kids ?

    EDIT: And they are both wearing Superman tshirts in their mugshots.

    Hat tip to:
    http://drudgereport.com/

  27. nick flandrey says:

    I might consider a graduated scale, like the drivers licenses….

    4 year age difference up to 18, then whatever….

    Brain development and maturity keeps happening later and later, as we extend mental childhood. IIRC there is some actual science behind this. At the same time, onset of puberty seems to be getting earlier. Those are not complementary curves….

    n

  28. lynn says:

    When I was 18 I dated a 27-year old, lasted for 2-years.

    When I was 20 I dated a 23 year old, lasted for 36 years now. Only because she is the most tolerant woman I know.

  29. nick flandrey says:

    All these accusations for 30 and 40 years ago. F that. That is why we have the concept of a statute of limitations. It was a different world back then. Drinking age was 18 and NO ONE cared if kids were drinking beer and smoking.

    The Knack had a song in 79 that went into the top 10 IIRC called Good Girls Dont (But I Do) which has the line ‘and you know you can’t erase, ’til she’s sittin’ on your face….”

    Billy Joel had the teen sex anthem Come Out Virginia, and there were LOTS of other songs too.

    Sex with young girls was a part of the broader culture, as was marrying just after high school, at 17 or 18.

    Remember the movie Almost Famous? The groupies hanging around the stage door talking about giving blow jobs to the band were 14, iirc. It struck me when I watched the movie. The main character girl friend was 16, iirc, and the male lead is barely pubescent. Different time.

    n

  30. nick flandrey says:

    Articles like this one spell out why we MUST END illegal immigration.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5070677/Houston-gang-members-arrested-charged-sex-trafficking.html

    Look at the list of crimes these dozen have committed and the lives ruined. And these are just a few of the millions of illegals.

    “Authorities identified at least six victims of sex trafficking, including a 14 year old. When the 11 gang members were arrested on Tuesday, seven additional victims were found in the gang brothels. ”

    n

  31. Nightraker says:

    My recollection is that the age of majority traditionally referred to, in effect, being middle age or halfway to death. Any age of consent or other similar age based legalism is a social construct of the elders then delegated to the legal industry to enforce. The post pubescent youth are gonna do what they decide for themselves anyhow and, absent coercion (a biggie!!), is really no business of anyone else.

    That said, single motherhood and the other social consequences of reliable contraception haven’t been wonderful.

  32. nick flandrey says:

    hmm, a week or 2 ago I saw the FEMA report mention that google would be flying balloons to provide internet in PR. Guess they followed thru….

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5070777/Project-Loon-balloons-help-100-000-online.html

  33. SteveF says:

    My recollection is that the age of majority traditionally referred to, in effect, being middle age or halfway to death.

    I do not believe this to be the case. The age of majority was the point at which you stopped being a minor — 16, 18, 21, 25, whatever.

  34. lynn says:

    Oh man, the Knack, I loved their first album. I dedicated “She’s So Selfish” to my 1978 girlfriend who was 3 years younger than me (we were 18 and 15 in 1978, I had no idea she was jailbait for me!). We broke up at the end of 1978 and got back together in 1979 for a while. We were going to get back together in 1980 but I met my future wife and went exclusive immediately. I had called 1978 that afternoon and we were going to do something on the next day but I never called her again.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBkmtz1tz0I

    1978 ended up marrying one of my friends from TAMU and divorcing him after 20 years and three kids (he was and still is unhappy about that). And here is the wild thing, 1978 was my daughters pre-K teacher, my wife did NOT like that. I saw her again a couple of years ago and she was heavier than me.

    I made the mistake of telling my wife about that album association about a decade ago and the CD has disappeared. Bummer. Maybe I need to get a new one.

  35. SteveF says:

    and the CD has disappeared. Bummer. Maybe I need to get a new one.

    No, you need to make some treasured memorabilia of your wife’s past disappear. Sauce for the goose…

  36. nick flandrey says:

    I admit, I play Good Girls Don’t and My Sharona at damagingly loud levels when I’m in a mood…

    n

  37. lynn says:

    I admit, I play Good Girls Don’t and My Sharona at damagingly loud levels when I’m in a mood…

    And your girls are not around.

    BTW, me too. For the entire album ! It just demands to be played loud like Fleetwood Mac, the Eagles, Uncle Teddy, and many others.

  38. lynn says:

    and the CD has disappeared. Bummer. Maybe I need to get a new one.

    No, you need to make some treasured memorabilia of your wife’s past disappear. Sauce for the goose…

    My daughter may have stolen it instead. She goes shopping in ALL of my stuff regularly. Shirts, CDs, movies, etc, etc, etc. My son just steals XXXXX borrows books.

  39. lynn says:

    My son just reminded me that the Marine Corps birthday is today. 242 years young !
    http://www.military.com/marine-corps-birthday

    He just left to go hang with several of his former USMC buddies. I have no idea how many of the 21 million veterans in the USA are Marine Corps but I know a few.

  40. lynn says:

    Wow, my son headed to Iraq for his second tour of duty in 2007. That trip did not suck as bad as the first, they did not lose a single guy in the battalion. Quite a difference from his first trip in 2005 where he lost four buddies.
    https://www.winsim.com/Michael_2007.jpg

  41. Miles_Teg says:

    Nick wrote:

    “…as was marrying just after high school, at 17 or 18.”

    An anecdote I heard is that girls in Texas in the Sixties who weren’t married by 16 were afraid of becoming old maids.

  42. Miles_Teg says:

    Lynn, sounds like you dodged a bullet there…

    In 1983/4 when I was 25 I became somewhat interested in a 27-28 year old at work. She never wore a bra and would frequently come to my desk to ask ditzy questions. . I think she was interested in a relationship (I assume she could hear the clock ticking.) I was talking about her to a woman I worked with, who said “I’ve seen the way you look at her!” Anyway, nothing happened, although I did find her attractive.

    Years later I was talking to a couple of guys at work. I mentioned the woman I’d fancied, another guy mentioned a woman who’d been caught having sex in the workplace by a security guard. Instead of being really embarassed as most of us (SteveF excepted) would have been, she invited the guard to join in for a threesome. It was at this time I mentioned the name of the woman I’d liked. “THAT’S HER! THAT’S HER!” my friend exclaimed. Talk about a bullet dodged…

  43. H. Combs says:

    marrying just after high school, at 17 or 18.

    My wife had to finish high school after we married. I snapped her up when she was 16 and we are still happy after 47 years. She’s writing a book loosely based on our crazy life. Yes, we are the exception to the rule.
    BTW: she went on to get her Masters and taught English in the US and UK.

  44. JimL says:

    I don’t know if anyone else has noticed, but Mr SteveF seems to make a lot of sensible suggestions.

  45. SteveF says:

    -nod- I’m awesome that way. It is simply the unfortunate fact that most others are too, shall we say, mentally limited or immature to comprehend the awesomeness, sensibility, and sheer effectiveness of my ideas.

  46. Miles_Teg says:

    “I don’t know if anyone else has noticed, but Mr SteveF seems to make a lot of sensible suggestions.”

    Even a stopped clock is right twice a day…

  47. JimL says:

    SteveF doesn’t stop.

  48. SteveF says:

    Hmm. I mention that some are “too mentally limited or immature to comprehend the awesomeness, sensibility, and sheer effectiveness of my ideas”

    … and Miles_Teg chimes in, denigrating me and my ideas.

    Conclusions are left as an exercise for the reader.

  49. medium wave says:

    Hmm. I mention that some are “too mentally limited or immature to comprehend the awesomeness, sensibility, and sheer effectiveness of my ideas”

    Perhaps some of us have a more highly developed sense of self-preservation that precludes going where your ideas would take us? 🙂

  50. nick flandrey says:

    One of my good friends floated the idea that the world would be greatly improved if everyone was required to kill one other person.

    n

  51. SteveF says:

    Even a stopped clock is right twice a day…

    For my brother’s first year of engineering school, classes were in a building used only for engineering. The clocks were all 24-hour clocks, useful when many students worked on their projects for long and odd hours.

    The next year, part of the building was given over to business majors and all of the 24-hour clocks had to be replaced by standard 12-hour clocks because the business majors (and professors!) couldn’t figure out the time.

  52. dkreck says:

    I never understood peoples’ problem with 24 hour time. Is adding or subtracting 12 that difficult? (of course many can’t figure tips out either).
    Used to have a 24 hr electric wall clock at work. IIRC it had the 12 hour numbers printed on it too, only smaller. It was confusing to many there as well even though we were a computer shop. I guess the problem is with reading at a glance since noon was at the bottom of the clock.

  53. MrAtoz says:

    Conclusions are left as an exercise for the reader.

    Baaa. Baaa. Baaa.

    Conclusions are left as an exercise for the reader.

  54. SteveF says:

    You’re saying that Miles_Teg’s mental and emotional difficulties are caused by syphilis, which came from sheep? Wow, that’s really harsh, harsher than I was going to go, but you do you.

  55. MrAtoz says:

    Meowww!

  56. Dave says:

    I never understood peoples’ problem with 24 hour time. Is adding or subtracting 12 that difficult? (of course many can’t figure tips out either).

    For those of us who hang out here, no it isn’t that difficult. For a lot of people, yes it is that difficult.

  57. Nick Flandrey says:

    Funny bit of synchronicity, after reading these pages today, I went to pick my daughter up from a friend’s house, and there on the wall in the study was a 24 hr wall clock, with noon at the bottom….

    don’t think I’ve seen one in the wild, and for it to happen on the same day is just weird.

    n

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