Tuesday, 22 August 2017

09:27 – It was 66.6F (18C) when I took Colin out at 0635, partly cloudy.

As usual this time of year, we’re covered up building and shipping science kits. I just finished processing five orders that came in overnight, and Barbara is standing here building another two dozen boxes for more chemistry kits.

Someone asked if anyone would post images of their long-term storage. This first one is part of our LTS food in the unfinished area of the basement. It includes stuff like 9 gallons of pancake syrup, 20+ gallons of oils and fats, gallon jugs of molasses, liquid smoke, different types of vinegar, several gallons each of prepared ketchup and mustard (for making barbecue sauce), about 60 28-ounce cans of Keystone meats, 32 12-ounce cans of Spam, and another 50 or so cans of various meats.

Here’s the refrigerator in the unfinished area, with another 100+ cans of meat, a few #10 cans of cheese and butter powder, and the remaining space filled with jars of Alfredo sauce.

The freezer is packed with #10 cans of Augason egg powder, Nido powdered whole milk, and various OTC and agricultural drugs.

The next image is a 5×2-foot steel shelving rack, which contains a lot of repackaged dry bulk foods, as well as sauces, evaporated milk, canned vegetables, and other miscellany. Just as an indication of how much is here, that small area of green bottles in the lower left corner contains 80 pounds of pinto beans, the section of bright yellow bottles on the shelf above it is 60 pounds of cornmeal, and the red-top Coke bottles on the lower two shelves contain 250 pounds of repackaged macaroni. The reason for the scattered placement of the cases of canned vegetables is that I’m using them as “bookends” to prevent the 2- and 3-liter bottles from rolling.

The image below is the closet in our LTS food room, which is under the stairs. There’s some miscellaneous computer equipment stored in there for now, but the bulk of the space is occupied by about 40 cases (240 cans) of assorted #10 cans from the LDS Home Storage Center and Augason Farms, along with some other miscellaneous #10 cans of stuff from Costco and Sam’s Club.

These pictures don’t show all of our LTS food stores, but it gives you some idea.

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75 Responses to Tuesday, 22 August 2017

  1. Harold says:

    It was 78f at 6:30 AM when I started my commute. Expected high in Memphis today is 92f. Tomorrow they expect a high of 82f and into the 70’s next week. I think I see a trend, I hope. All in all, it’s been a very moderate summer here with only a week or two of normaly hot & humid misery. Looking forward to a nice fall.

  2. DadCooks says:

    I see a lot of OCD organizing skills in those photos, not that that is a bad thing. Those could be my pictures, except that I have all the labels facing out 😉

    I also have lists hanging on clipboards in each area that I update when I take something from stock so I can do a quick check for replenishing. No one except me can remove items from the prep stock. I have the same lists for the everyday pantries, but the other family members are not as diligent as I at keeping those lists up to date. I guess they do that to keep my blood pressure up.

  3. Ray Thompson says:

    I get stats from the streaming service I use for my church’s stream of the live service. It is interesting to me that 80% of the browser used is Chrome and that is about 50/50 between mobile and desktop. IE11 is less than 1% of the browsers used.

    Our streaming site. Not too bad for a bunch of clueless amateurs.

  4. DadCooks says:

    Just what was needed to go with your pussy (and I don’t mean cat) hat:
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/08/22/ooti-uterus-emoji-sticker-supports-planned-parenthood/

    Two vastly different recent news posts regarding Charles Barkley:
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/08/21/charles_barkley_ive_always_ignored_confederate_statues_a_waste_of_time.html
    (ad blocker popup easily dismissed)
    http://www.theroot.com/charles-barkley-is-a-great-example-of-a-black-white-su-1798149722

    The first article might give you hope, but the second one will take it all away with the all too extremely racist view that is defining more and more of today’s n-words (they are not even deserving of being called black).

    edit: fixed second Barkley link

    edit 2: if you want to see what “they” really think of “us” add theroot.com to your RSS feed or reading list. It’ll keep your blood boiling.

  5. JimL says:

    I follow the Root on social media. I have a few such feeds – those that I dislike – out there. I want to know what they’re thinking.

    Occasionally, I agree with their POV. The Root, lately, has been so disagreeable that I find it hard to even understand their point of view, let alone agree with it. They used to be a “black Issue” site. Now they’re a hate-group.

  6. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    The plumbers are out again. Barbara noticed a drip from one of the PEX joints in the unfinished area. It was literally dripping about five drops a day, but slow drips turn into floods. So the plumbers came out early this morning to replace all of the joints in the unfinished area.

    We don’t have running water, so after Barbara had Colin out running in the yard and he came in panting as usual, she went to get him fresh water from the sink. When she remembered that wasn’t working, she grabbed a gallon of Costco bottled water and filled his water bowl.

    Never missing an opportunity, I pointed out that LTS was a Good Thing. Barbara thinks Colin prefers bottled water to tap water. Just what we need. A metrosexual dog.

  7. nick flandrey says:

    When he has a bigger pile of hair care “product” than you and Barbara combined, you’ll know the transformation is complete. And then he’ll start writing screeds on the internet about how sheep no longer need herding from the cis-normative patriarchal oppressive canine hegemony.

    n

  8. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    “When he has a bigger pile of hair care “product” than you and Barbara combined”

    That would be any at all.

  9. SteveF says:

    What is this “hair” of which you speak?

    My first wife was sooooo bad that my hair started falling out the day we got married. By the time I filed for divorce, the damage was done.

  10. nick flandrey says:

    Hot today. 104 and 42%RH in the driveway. Bit of a heat island there. Still, 90F in the deep shade of my patio, near my leaky big windows (so a bit cool.)

    cleaning house. Have houseguests for the next day or two. Looking to move from SoCal to somewhere not insane. Will be playing tour guide.

    n

  11. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Just let ’em know that only Trump supporters are welcome in Texas.

  12. nick flandrey says:

    So, ummmm, yeah, ya know… THE RUSSIANS DID IT!!!!1!!!1!!!!!1

    “Were they hacked? US Navy to investigate whether BOTH warships that crashed into much larger merchant vessels with deadly results were the victims of a cyber attack”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4811516/US-Navy-consider-crashed-warships-hacked.html

    Yeah, that’s right, the russians did it….

    n

  13. nick flandrey says:

    His teen daughter wants to be ‘red pilled’ and learn about the world esp wrt the current unpleasantness. Specifically asked how to learn more. I think they’re all right…

    n

  14. MrAtoz says:

    “Were they hacked? US Navy to investigate whether BOTH warships that crashed into much larger merchant vessels with deadly results were the victims of a cyber attack”

    Why announce this to the world?

  15. nick flandrey says:

    And in a great coincidence, I was looking into what it would take to do this on my own…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4812970/Flock-car-tracking-device-cut-crime-area.html

    Flock’s sensor logs the number plate of each car that drives into a residential street, for use by ‘neighbourhood leaders’.

    You can do this for the cost of the camera and a pc using some add ons for ISpy the open network dvr. you need good images, so camera choice and placement would be critical. I’ve been giving a lot of thought to how to incorporate cams into my mailbox post…

    n

  16. nick flandrey says:

    Why announce this to the world?”

    Preparing the battlespace. “We’re not that incompetent, we was hak’d, eleventy…”

    “Admiral John Richardson, the chief of naval operations, said on Monday that there were ‘no indications’ that the two ships were hacked, but said Navy ‘will consider all possibilities’.”

    n

  17. nick flandrey says:

    It would be interesting to build the apps and sensors to get a bluetooth profile, tire pressure sensor UGID, and number plate recognition camera logging system for use at home. I’m on a cul de sac and in theory there are only a limited number of people with legit reasons to be driving down it.
    n

    [in the US there is no legal expectation of privacy when out in public]

  18. Harold says:

    I’ve been giving a lot of thought to how to incorporate cams into my mailbox post…

    Good luck. My mailbox, poll and all, was taken out last year by a FedEx delivery truck. When I complained to FedEx they said they had no record of any such incident from their drivers. So I sent them the video footage showing the accident, the driver get out and inspect the truck for damage, then drive off. FedEx sent an apology and replaced the box and cast iron post within the week. Video surveillance is priceless.

  19. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    “BOTH warships that crashed into much larger merchant vessels with deadly results were the victims of a cyber attack”

    ISTR that the US built a nuclear carrier with all critical systems running MS Windows.

  20. Harold says:

    US built a nuclear carrier with all critical systems running MS Windows.

    And what possible chance is there that the critical systems running Windows have up-to-date patches? NONE. Because critical systems have to be validated and all patches must be validated in a test environment. Do you think an operational carrier has a fully redundant IT farm to implement, test, and validate patches on? That is even assuming that the Win OS hasn’t already gone End Of Life. I have heard of critical systems running on Win-NT. In my firm we have critical manufacturing systems, laser cutters and thin film metal deposition devices that are controlled by applications that run ONLY on XP. We ring-fence these from the internet and firewall them onto a separate VLAN but this is the way the real world works. Many Process control apps that run on Server 2003 will not run on anything newer. Pray that no sailor picks up a thumb drive on his shore leave in Hong Kong that’s infected with the latest version of STUXNET and inserts it into a computer controlling the nuclear reactor.

  21. Greg Norton says:

    ISTR that the US built a nuclear carrier with all critical systems running MS Windows.

    The last time I did DoD work in 2013, the spec required Common Criteria RHEL 6.2 for new systems.

    The only stories I’ve heard about Windows on an aircraft carrier concern the Queen Elizabeth, the new UK carrier.

    http://www.wired.co.uk/article/hms-queen-elizabeth-windows-xp

  22. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    No, I’m thinking of one that was built at a US shipyard that was partially owned by Microsoft.

  23. nick flandrey says:

    Last time I worked with DoD they were 2 os generations behind, and couldn’t upgrade without complete validation. They had some OLD systems running critical logistics stuff too. There are a lot of pcs out there running one piece of critical software on top of all the windows cruft.

    n

  24. Greg Norton says:

    No, I’m thinking of one that was built at a US shipyard that was partially owned by Microsoft.

    Maybe the LTS built at Austal in Mobile. Those ships have all kinds of problems, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Microsoft money involved.

  25. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    CVN-77, USS George H.W. Bush, built at Newport News, VA

  26. Greg Norton says:

    CVN-77, USS George H.W. Bush, built at Newport News, VA

    Did the Navy follow through with the Windows system plan?

    Summer of 2000 was “Peak Microsoft”, when the company was so powerful that a second campus site was being readied in Issaquah in case Gore won the election and the anti trust suit moved forward.

    Interesting politics. Bush Jr. won the election and ended the anti trust suit.

  27. Dave Hardy says:

    Why ain’t them ships and tanks and planes running OpenVMS???

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see mission-critical stuff running on DOS and Amigas. The Russians were even worse with that stuff, but maybe they’ve leapfrogged us by now.

  28. SteveF says:

    They wouldn’t be running AmigaDOS. Commodore wasn’t big enough to pay enough bribe — er, campaign contribution — to a Congresscretin to get it mandated.

  29. SVJeff says:

    About 18 months ago, I bought some hard drive caddies on eBay. In messaging the seller afterwards, we ended up talking on the phone. He was employed by one of the movie studios to clear out warehouses they had full of surplussed stuff. He said that, the last time he knew anything, another studio (Paramount IIRC) ran ‘everything’ (his words) on Win98. I wish I had that contact to sell them some of the 98-era machines I have 🙂

  30. Dave Hardy says:

    “…They wouldn’t be running AmigaDOS…”

    Naw, they’d be running DOS 6.22. And running Amigas for the missile launches.

    “….another studio (Paramount IIRC) ran ‘everything’ (his words) on Win98. I wish I had that contact to sell them some of the 98-era machines I have…”

    Wow, no kidding.

    Unfortunately I’m old enough to remember all the way back to the earliest Windows and DOS; including PC-DOS on IBM-AT machines at the factory where I supported a PDP-11 and a microVAX, circa 1986. WordPerfect running on VMS!

  31. RickH says:

    WRT to ‘old’ and ‘computers’:

    Original IBM PC (the first one), with Cassette Basic as the OS.

    Me old geek.

  32. lynn says:

    I may have figured out the FireFox memory runaway problem that I mentioned last weekend.
    https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1392137

    I note that clicking the “Measure” button on about:memory reports on the current memory in usage. Then, FF appears to run a GC (garbage collection) as the memory used suddenly dropped by 300 MB. A subsequent memory usage drops the memory usage another 300 MB so that the memory in usage is back to 450 MB.

    It appears that the memory leakage is temporary and is related to web pages automatically refreshing themselves.

    In my opinion, FireFox needs to know when a page automatically refreshes itself. After a webpage refreshes itself, FireFox needs to run a GC. Maybe twice.

  33. lynn says:

    Summer of 2000 was “Peak Microsoft”, when the company was so powerful that a second campus site was being readied in Issaquah in case Gore won the election and the anti trust suit moved forward.

    Huh ? Don’t you mean Vancouver ? I have heard that MS actually has more employees in Vancouver now than Redmond due to USA immigration issues.

  34. lynn says:

    @nick, are you ready to get deluged ? Our forecast is for 8 to 10 inches of rain this coming weekend starting Thursday night. This is from the remains of Tropical Storm Harvey.
    https://www.wunderground.com/weather/us/tx/sugar-land-municipal-hull/KSGR
    and
    https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/tropical-storm-hurricane-harvey-gulf-of-mexico-forecast

  35. pcb_duffer says:

    Re: USN collisions. The simplest explanation is usually the most correct one. Officers not doing what they are dammed well supposed to be doing. Be it standing orders, actually being on watch, etc., the scrambled eggs come with a lot of responsibility.

    And I seem to recall, during last year’s campaign, an article showing US missile silos equipped w/ 8″ floppy drives.

  36. nick flandrey says:

    Yep, that storm’s been forming and dissipating for a week.

    We’ll see. My guest says he’d rather stay with me Thur and Fri if there’s a hurricane a comin’ ‘cuz I’m probably better stocked than our buddy in Friendswood. Said buddy was asking his wife where the flashlight was as his storm prep….

    n

  37. Ray Thompson says:

    article showing US missile silos equipped w/ 8″ floppy drives

    I remember reading that story. They are afraid to go with something newer. The floppies are secure, no net access. The software is reliable. Changing to something new opens an entire new set of problems. In this I would prefer they stay with what they know works solid without security risks.

  38. lynn says:

    I just figured out how to get my 8 TB bare drive out of the WD 8 TB USB external drive to work in a pc as a backup drive. The drive was formatted exFAT which hung the file server pc boot for some reason. I put the USB daughter board back on the bare drive and hooked it up to my office pc. It came right up. I reformatted it NTFS with 4 KB sectors. I removed the USB daughter board and put the bare drive back into the file server pc. The file server pc came right up and the drive was D:. Life is good and I saved $80 by buying the WD USB external 8 TB drive instead of the bare drive.
    https://www.amazon.com/Book-Desktop-External-Drive-WDBBGB0080HBK-NESN/dp/B01LQQHLGC/
    and
    https://tinkertry.com/liberate-western-digital-8tb-from-external-drive-enclosure-to-save-big

  39. paul says:

    The problem with the 8″ floppy drives is that the hardware is old. Is there a way to use a CD/RW as a floppy replacement?

  40. paul says:

    I think Mr lynn wins the “squealing the buffalo nickle” award today. And should throw a pizza and beer party.

  41. Dave Hardy says:

    We had monsoon again up here about ten minutes after wife watered all the plants. I had the same thing happen to me last week; we also had a short-term tornado warning here until about 8 PM and Montreal West got whacked by something similar, maybe just a really violent t-storm. Rain was coming down here in sheets for a couple of hours.

    And my brother just sent me a pic of some lefty white demonstrator somewhere waving a BLM sign; facing him was a black guy with a Confederate flag.

    Pic of the week.

    Still drizzling here; everything is soaked; plus I imagine a few hundred small frogs got whacked by vehicles on the roads just now as I was driving to pick up a pizza for us. Saw ’em hopping across in the headlights between the cornfields.

    Another fun day tomorrow of cleanup ops, taxes, organizing chit here, and ordering a Ruger AR-556 for that same brother. He’s tooling up down there in Maffachufetts and despite major spousal denial and super Normality Bias, he’s putting in a new flue for their chimney and a stove insert so they can heat with wood if the other fuels can’t get delivered for whatever reason. Also has a garden going, which I told him has plenty of room for expansion in the full sun he has down there, way more than we have. The other two brothers and our sister are evidently willing to wait and see what happens and do nothing in the meantime. They regard us as certifiable nutjobs wasting time and money.

    The brother getting the rifle also has other firearms handy and worked for a while as an auxiliary cop down there, one of the rich Boston suburbs. He keeps up with the Current Situation and has the wife and two daughters with zero interest in preparing for anything. Shopping, glued to the pixels, socializing, going to events and being in crowds and cities at every possible opportunity.

  42. lynn says:

    “MSESPN Pulls Asian Announcer Named Robert Lee Off UVa Game To Avoid Offending Idiots”
    https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/msespn-pulls-asian-announcer-named-robert-lee-off-uva-game-avoid-offending-idiots/

    “Did I mention that Robert Lee is Asian?”

    ESPN is a bunch of pansies.

    Hat tip to:
    http://drudgereport.com/

  43. lynn says:

    Another fun day tomorrow of cleanup ops, taxes, organizing chit here, and ordering a Ruger AR-556 for that same brother. He’s tooling up down there in Maffachufetts and despite major spousal denial and super Normality Bias, he’s putting in a new flue for their chimney and a stove insert so they can heat with wood if the other fuels can’t get delivered for whatever reason. Also has a garden going, which I told him has plenty of room for expansion in the full sun he has down there, way more than we have.

    I did not think that Maffachufetts allowed semi-automatic rifles ?

  44. lynn says:

    I think Mr lynn wins the “squealing the buffalo nickle” award today. And should throw a pizza and beer party.

    Thanks ! If my customers would all pay their bills then I would not be so concerned. But, I live in the real world and my A/R is approaching a half million.

    And I am limited to one beer per day by personal choice. But, I rarely have a beer per quarter even nowadays.

    I used to drink beer like water. But, after one late night phone call on the road where I passed out talking to the wife about the horrible day at the plant, I decided to stop drinking and limit myself. Plus the expense of drinking is high, especially at a bar and grill. And, alcohol nullifies my heart medicine which is a very bad thing.

    I somewhat remember that night in 1985. We had a steam line come loose in the power plant that we were working at. About 20 ft away from me. I was working on one of the baby turbines (only 25,000 hp) when it happened. We ran for our lives. We stood outside watching them try to bring the plant down in an orderly manner. We were standing next to the makeup water tanks and watching those also drop a foot a minute. I got on the squawkbox and notified the lead operator that he was about to run out of water so he just punched it off. All 40 or 50 of the safeties were blowing and they did not get the coal lines cleared. Somehow, the jerk operations superintendent thought it was my fault and called my boss in Dallas to complain. My boss told him to calm down as we had already called him.

    Anyway, we went back to the hotel and went in the pool. Then we went to the bar and grill next door for supper. They were serving 2 for 1 beers that night so we all got plastered. Walking back to the hotel, we had to walk on a footbridge over a ditch with a couple of feet of water in it. One of my fellow engineers did not make it over and fell in the ditch. We spent the next 30 minutes getting him out of the 8 ft deep ditch. And so on and so forth. Not my proudest moment.

    And the next day, our boss assigned us to work on the #3 unit at the power plant. We could not win for losing. I’ve got a lot more stories about that three month assignment.
    https://www.luminant.com/generation/martin-lake-power-plant/

  45. Greg Norton says:

    Huh ? Don’t you mean Vancouver ? I have heard that MS actually has more employees in Vancouver now than Redmond due to USA immigration issues.

    This was 17 years ago, still early in the offshoring game. Plus, even then, Vancouver, BC was a hard place to afford a house on the kind of money Microsoft paid employees who didn’t hold pre-Windows 95 options.

    Microsoft unloaded the last of their Issaquah property around the time I lived around the corner in the Highlands. The crazy thing is that, at the time, they still ran a bus back and forth to Redmond, but it was mostly for the H1B workers crowded into the apartment complex at the edge of the otherwise vacant property.

    http://www.seattletimes.com/business/microsoft-sells-issaquah-highlands-property/

    In case the name sounds familiar, Issaquah is HQ for Costco. The city was also home to Egghead Software until that racket (and I mean that in the full legal sense of the word) ran out of gas.

  46. Dave Hardy says:

    “I did not think that Maffachufetts allowed semi-automatic rifles ?”

    Who said it was going to Maffachufetts?

    WRT to corporations out in Seattle/Vancouver/Portland; never been out there, but saw a lot of similar stuff going on earlier in the area around “America’s Technology Highway,” Route 128 in Maffachufetts and then out to 495. Remember DEC? Polaroid? Data General? Prime Computer? the Boston Computer Society? etc. And a plethora of smaller tech firms and tech recruiting companies; the place was booming! Bose is still around, in Framingham; Dr. Amar Bose is now gone but he brought a bunch of his MIT students out there to build their fantastic speakers. And there was Klipsch, KLH, MacIntosh, etc, too. Yours truly worked at DEC, Data General and Bose in my time; a brother worked at Prime, another also at Bose. Sometimes the jobs sucked but other times it was really cool and a lotta fun.

    All mostly gone now, and only one brother is still working in IT down there.

    While I still get emails and phone calls about jobs that have nothing to do with me or very little, now that I’ve been out of it for the past four years, mostly. Buh-bye.

    Waiting on two more recommendation letters (that claim I walk on wotta) to get to the college admissions office. Then a possible F2F interview, but no one’s mentioned it yet. And I’d have to rush to register for classes next week. Gonna be a one-hour commute each way but only two or three late afternoons/evenings per week, some weekend labs and research stuff. Gorgeous countryside, esp. with Autumn coming up; leaves around here have been turning orange for the past ten days or so.

    I am assembling a GHB accordingly, to add to the first-aid go bag already in the cah. Also installing a massive, well, larger than normal, fire extinguisher in said cah with a vehicle mounting bracket, mainly because of several incidents described by Mr. Nick, and I’ve not only witnessed vehicle fires but was in one myself 37 years ago. Plus three gallons of water, cased. Also looking at various manual tow/winch/recovery tools described in the current American Rifleman magazine; could come in very handy up here when the snow starts piling up and then Mud Season after that.

    Usual EDC on me, and in the car will be another defensive tool or two.

  47. Dave Hardy says:

    Depressing info from Selco:

    http://shtfschool.com/silence-before-storm/

    Bear in mind he’s discussing life in the city. You don’t wanna be in a city like this when SHTF. Not even close to one.

  48. lynn says:

    Here is the corner of water in the garage (4 MB). Kind of an expensive way to store water but we go through 3 or 4 cases of water in the fridge each week. I keep 120 to 130 cases of water out there. I just pulled all of the Dec 2016 cases down for staging. I buy 4 cases each week at HEB to replace the used cases. Each case is 24 bottles of 0.5L. Somewhere around 400 gallons if I remember correctly (too late to do math tonight).
    https://www.winsim.com/corner_of_water.jpg

  49. Miles_Teg says:

    Do any of you drink tap wotta?

  50. IT_Pro says:

    “Remember DEC? Polaroid? Data General?”

    All too well. I fondly remember programming the DECSystem-10 and later, the -20 in Macro-10 assembly language, Fortran, and Algol from 1970 until about 1978. And then I became an OEM for Data General systems, from the Nova 3/12 onward from about 1977 to 1987. I used to go up to Data General to witness factory acceptance tests before my hardware was shipped.

  51. JimL says:

    I drink straight from the tap. Chilled if I can, straight if not.

    We have good municipal water, with no nasty aftertaste or smell, and the contaminants (reported every quarter) are well below any safety warnings. It’s not Fiji, but it doesn’t cost what Fiji costs, either. It doesn’t even cost what the cheapest bottled water costs.

    Our well pipe still exists, and I pump it every couple of years to make sure we can still get good water that way. It smells bad (sulfur), but is good enough to drink in a pinch. We have filters for the aftermath, just in case.

  52. pcb_duffer says:

    I drink tap water. Even if my finances were stable, I wouldn’t drink the bottled stuff, but I would have a few cases stored for emergency use. I also keep several 2l bottles in the freezer, where they help keep it stable and provide an emergency source.

  53. JimL says:

    Oh, I keep bottled water and rotate it out when we travel or when bottled water makes better sense. I just don’t drink it at home or at work when tap water is available.

    And I do try to sample water from cases on occasion. Every once in a while I find a bottle that smells (and tastes) like something died in it. I know it’s probably fine (just a different bottling plant with a different source), but the experience should be not-objectionable for whomever has to drink it. (edit) I then tend to dispose of that case, and don’t buy that brand again.(/edit)

  54. dkreck says:

    Tap water? That stuff from the sink? I only drink what comes out of the door of the refrigerator.

  55. Ray Thompson says:

    I only drink what comes out of the door of the refrigerator

    Which in my case would be water that has been filtered through two charcoal filters and a reverse osmosis filter. I have a water filter installed in the sink and that system also supplies the water from the refrigerator. Filter removes chlorine, fluoride, and all manner of crap from the water. The water tastes a lot better from the filter.

  56. CowboySlim says:

    “Do any of you drink tap wotta?”

    Roger that! 70 years ago when all the children drank tap water, autism was unheard of.

    Cause and effect…..an undeniable hypothesis.

  57. nick flandrey says:

    Do any of you drink tap wotta?

    Um, NO!

    n

  58. Miles_Teg says:

    “you” in this case meant the Lynn family, but it’s interesting that so many readers don’t drink tap water. I don’t drink bottled water but have a stash nearly the size of Lynn’s for when the SHTF.

    I also have a filter in the sink and re-fill rigid plastic empty iced tea bottles for use around the house and when I’m on the road. Tastes perfectly good to me, and as a diabetic I can drink a fair bit.

    In the Sixties tap water in Adelaide was terrible, but it’s okay now.

  59. JimL says:

    There are quite a few things that are different now. Autism can be correlated to many of them. Causation, on the other hand, is not determined.

    That said – tap water (and well water on occasion) are not shunned. Washing of hands every 5 minutes does NOT happen. Anti-bacterials/microbials are stored away unless someone is currently sick.

    I suspect that, some day, the current cause of autism and Downs Syndrome will be known and we’ll be as cautious as we are now about Folic Acid.

    (For those not aware, lack of Folic Acid in the diet has been tied to Spina Bifida.) That disease kept my cousin in a wheelchair all of his life. My aunt was one to always try the newest things, and early white bread was nearly devoid of it. One of the reasons white bread is now enriched.

    Kind of like how obesity is tied to lack of fat in the diet… Hmm.

  60. DadCooks says:

    I am in the camp that believes that artificial sweeteners and high fructose corn syrup and big causal factors in Autism, ADD, ADDHD, OCD, Diabetes, pulmonary/heart diseases, and cancers. Not the absolute cause but contributory.

  61. dkreck says:

    Yes while I do drink water out of the fridge it does go through a filter under the sink, just a basic charcoal cartridge type which I fail to change very often. There’s one inside the fridge too but I’ve never changed it. Why bother if the water coming in is already filtered. I have one of those lever taps on the sink coming from the filter as well. Truth is however the tap water here is pretty good even if like every thing else in California it’s way over priced. (still far cheaper than store bought)

  62. Ray Thompson says:

    70 years ago when all the children drank tap water

    I drank water straight from the creek that was used for our irrigation system. We had a couple of faucet taps on the system for the garden and the barn use in the summer. When working in the barn or hauling hay that faucet in the barn was used heavily. No one ever got sick even though we were probably exposed to many pathogens. I suspect we built up an immunity over time.

    Truth is however the tap water here is pretty good

    Regulated by the state governments whose standards are set by the feds. All municipal water systems are in good shape. And that may be a problem in my opinion. People are not exposed to bacteria and other nastys in small quantities that the body can handle. Thus no immunity. When a small does comes along the body cannot handle it and major problems arise.

    Whether my opinion is a crock of shit or has merit I can only base on my personal experience. I have been at events where people have gotten sick from food or water yet I consumed the same stuff without issue. I also see more people today getting sick than in my younger years. Some other cause, perhaps.

    A clean food and water supply is required. Absolutely sterile I am not so certain.

  63. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Ray’s right. When we were kids, all mothers let their kids play out in the dirt, make mud pies, etc. Helped them develop their immune systems.

  64. JimL says:

    I have read some articles discussing just such thoughts. Bacteria in the gut (or lack thereof) and Autism was one of the links discussed.

    I don’t _know_ for sure, but thousands of years of evolution made us work well with a certain amount of bacteria in all kinds of situations. I don’t believe for a second that eliminating bacteria if 100% good. Though preventing infection in a cut prevents some seriously bad consequences, preventing it in diet is (IMO) not a good thing for us.

    I simply have not seen or heard of any rigorous study that examines the notions and published the findings.

  65. Dave Hardy says:

    Any and all diseases and medical problems that afflict us all now are the fault of tRump and the Twelve-Years-Of-Bush-And-Reagan, plus globalwarmingchangeclimate. Also white supremacists and Nazis. And Adolf tRump.

  66. Ray Thompson says:

    I simply have not seen or heard of any rigorous study that examines the notions and published the findings.

    Would such a study be politically correct? I would suspect they would find differences based on skin color, ethnic origin, etc. We all know that such studies would be quickly buried as being racist. You cannot have differences between people (at least written down) unless you are a racist. Just consider the IQ studies and how they are buried, discredited, or ignored.

  67. ech says:

    I simply have not seen or heard of any rigorous study that examines the notions and published the findings.

    It has been established that a child raised in “too clean” of an environment has a higher chance of developing asthma and allergies, due to lack of challenges to the immune system. Enteric bacteria is one of the cutting edge areas in biology now. It looks as if obesity is caused in most cases by enteric bacteria, and they are implicated on adult onset diabetes. (My guess is that low carb diets work by affecting the balance of gut bacteria away from the ones that cause obesity, thereby letting metabolism get back to normal.) There are suggestions that gut bacteria can also cause mental and endocrine changes.

  68. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    Whence the fabled shit transplant operations…

  69. SteveF says:

    I would suspect they would find differences based on skin color, ethnic origin, etc. We all know that such studies would be quickly buried as being racist. You cannot have differences between people (at least written down) unless you are a racist.

    On the plus side, it’s now much cheaper to develop and test drugs. There are no differences between the races (and in fact there is no such thing as “race”) and no differences between men and women (not to mention the 55 other genders), thus drugs can be tested solely on “white” “men” and the conclusions will apply to all humans. Even children, because age-based discrimination is illegal and wrong, so just give the toddler the same prescription as you’d give the grown man and everything will be fine.

  70. JimL says:

    Methinks Mr. SteveF is being snarky.

    Just a bit.

    I think the real key is we don’t really KNOW what’s what, and the PC crap (pun intended) is likely to prevent the kind of research that would make it possible TO know.

    Sheesh – way to kill a mood, Jim. It started out so nice today.

  71. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    I always have a hard time telling when SteveF is serious and when he’s kidding.

  72. SteveF says:

    Troll level: 1000!

  73. Robert Bruce Thompson says:

    You’re missing opportunities. Lots of prepper sites accept contributed articles. I could see you doing one on, say, filling out one’s compost heap with animal matter picked up in the Walmart parking lot.

  74. Dave Hardy says:

    Mr. SteveF never kids.

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