Saturday, 13 August 2016

10:31 – Barbara is off to the wellness center to volunteer for a day-long event for the library reading program. She’s picking up take-out for dinner on her way home.

We made an apple crisp yesterday for our dessert/snack, using apples from the tree in our back yard. We kind of combined two or three different recipes, and it turned out well.

I read Locker Nine: A Novel of Societal Collapse, Franklin Horton’s latest, last night. Unlike most self-published PA novels, Horton’s are well-written and well-edited. He does a professional job all around. This book follows his three-part Borrowed World series, which is also excellent. Amazingly, he writes these things on his lunch hour at his regular job. He’s smart enough to pay for professional editing, layout/formatting, and covers. It shows. His books are indistinguishable from traditionally published books. Of course, none of that would matter if the content wasn’t also professionally done, which it is. This boy can write.

Email overnight from another newbie prepper. I’ll call this one Jason. He’s 33 and his wife, Jessica, is 31. They have a toddler, and another child on the way. They both work, and have a decent middle-class income. They bought a house five years ago, just before his wife found out she was pregnant with their first child. They have a mortgage, two car payments, child-care expenses, and all the other financial commitments typical for a young married couple, but they live within their means. Their home is in a nice suburb of a mid-size city in a metro area of just over 100,000 population. Like most people, they follow the news, and they’re both getting extremely concerned about what’s going on in this country.

A couple weeks ago, they decided to start getting prepared for whatever is coming down the road. They made a Sam’s Club run and stocked up on cases of canned goods and lots of bottled water. Jason and Jessica have both been spending a lot of time browsing prepping sites, and are overwhelmed by the amount of stuff they need to think about, buy, and do, and the decisions they need to make. Jason said his top priority at the moment was to buy a gun because they have no means of defending themselves. Neither of them have any experience with guns, and Jason wanted my advice about what to buy.

As is my habit, I answered his direct question first. Since they’re prepping on a budget, I told him that the best and most economical choice for him (and his wife, if he wants a gun for her as well) was a short-barreled pump-action tactical shotgun. For anyone large enough to stand the significant recoil, I said the Best-Buy award in my opinion went to the Mossberg Maverick 88 tactical shotgun in 12 gauge, which can be purchased for under $200. Jason said Jess is “five-foot nothing and 95 pounds dripping wet.” I told him in that case a 12 gauge with heavy buckshot loads is much too much gun for her. The alternatives would be to buy a 20-gauge Remington 870 or Mossberg 500/590 for Jess (or both of them) or to buy reduced power 12-gauge buckshot loads for the Maverick 88. The advantage to both of them using 20 gauge is ammunition commonality. The disadvantage of the Remington 870 or Mossberg 500/590 is that they cost $150 to $250 more than the Maverick 88.

I suggested to Jason that no matter how many and which shotguns they buy, they should buy 100 to 250 rounds of mixed buckshot and rifled slugs for them, along with a bunch of #7-1/2 birdshot rounds that they can use at their local sporting clays range to achieve basic competence with a shotgun. I also suggested that they fire at least a dozen or so rounds of the serious stuff to get accustomed to the difference in recoil between light birdshot rounds and serious defensive rounds.

Other than that, I suggested that their top priority should be securing a reliable long-term supply of water, getting their food stocks built up (including powdered baby formula) and the means to cook that food, and making some provision for staying warm in winter. Jason has been following this blog for several months and Jessica has started reading it, so I’m sure they’ll pick up a lot by osmosis.

Back to science kit stuff. I’m going to make up solutions while Barbara is gone today.


40 Comments and discussion on "Saturday, 13 August 2016"

  1. Dave Hardy says:

    I would have said the same thing concerning the shotguns for basic home defense. I’d also like them to think about somewhere down the road getting EDC handguns for both of them, as the more likely scenarios look to be potentially violent defensive encounters away from home with whatever we’re carrying. I don’t know what state they live in but it would be a good thing to at least for now look into the CCW and OCW requirements and maybe hook up with any of their family or friends who are up to speed with firearms.

    And like I tell my siblings, to not much effect, the basic human needs; shelter, water, heat, food, meds, defense, and commo as the icing on the cake, as it’s vital to be able to LISTEN to what’s going on and what may be coming our way. For that I’d say a good start is a decent scanner that can pick up most or all of the emergency services frequencies in one’s AO, and usually they can be programmed by you via manually or connecting to a computer, or come already programmed for your area. Not a bad idea to have one running at home and another in the vehicle/s.

    So, start with a shotgun and then look at handguns for EDC. Find a friendly and competent local range and get familiar with them, plus learn how to at least clean them. Research scanners; I run an inexpensive Radio Shack unit that I was able to easily program via the computer/internet. I also run a more expensive Uniden Bearcat which I’m thinking about installing in the RAV4.

    Rain continues here, praise the Lord. I’ve noticed one of our local brooks that was barely a trickle the other day is now a picturesque running stream. I wish it would keep raining all week but it looks like it’s scheduled to peter out by Monday.

  2. Nick Flandrey says:

    For home defense, the shotty makes some sense, but the longer I do this the more I lean toward a small nine mm pistol as first gun. It has the advantage of being portable, usable for CCW, fits easily in a vehicle, and it is easy to get training.

    I have difficulty finding somewhere to shoot my shotguns, and the skeet range doesn’t allow folding stocks or pistol grips….

    Depending on where you live, getting some training in the tactical use of a shotgun may be difficult or impossible. Getting training in defensive use of the pistol is MUCH easier.

    nick

  3. Dave Hardy says:

    “Depending on where you live, getting some training in the tactical use of a shotgun may be difficult or impossible. Getting training in defensive use of the pistol is MUCH easier.”

    True enough. The NRA offers affiliated training for pistol, rifle and shotgun at ranges around the country:

    http://www.nrainstructors.org/search.aspx

    Punch in your zip or state and Bob’s yer uncle. The pistol course is in two parts, the first part online for $60 with a test at the end, and then at some point you move on to the hands-on. There are other exclusively online classes, too, and some classes aimed at first-time shooters and women.

    Going to a first nightstand and EDC handgun? I used to carry snubby .357 Mag revolvers w/.38+P’s loaded but have moved on to the S&W Shield 9mm w/LaserMax laser mounted. The revolvers had six shots, and maybe another six in a speed-loader; the Shield with a spare mag has sixteen rounds, with many brands at LEAST as good as the .38+P nowadays. The semi-autos in this size also “print” smaller and thus conceal significantly better than the revolvers and most contemporary Murkan firearms derps have gone to the semi-auto pistols by now. Also easier to slap a magazine in it than fuss with the speedloaders and speed strips unless you practice it a lot. Which you should do anyway.

    So in the short warm weather months up here, ol’ OFD carries a Shield OWB at 4PM and the spare mag at 8PM. As the weather gets colder and I’m wearing bulkier stuff, I’ll move to the CZ P09 4″ 9mm sporting the Streamlight TLR2 combination light/laser with a double spare mag carrier. Sometimes the Glock 40 6″ (10mm) with TLR4 attached; both of those double as nightstand handguns. Also by the nightstand is a Mossberg 18″ 20-gauge with pistol grip and attached Elzetta light.

    But I can’t emphasize enough the training you get, and dry-fire practice at home, at least. And learning how to disassemble, clean and re-assemble these tools.

    (Libturd sarcasm tone on): “What’s the big threat, cowboy, that you gotta have all that firepower?”

    Me: At present, around here? One to several B&E goblins, quite possibly drug-addled and desperate; potential home invasions by orcs like them or some other category of assailant; and whatever threats are out and about in public as I travel around our increasingly threatening landscape, which is the way it is mainly because of our political “leadership.” Y’all have seen the countless nooz stories by now of mass shootings, nutjobs, musloid invaders, etc., etc. Not as likely around here but if you live in or near a large city, the likelihood becomes greater.

    (Libturd): “That’s what the police are for, you right-wing fascist racist pig!”

    Me: Hey little buddy, the when seconds count the police are only minutes away. Mainly to string yellow tape around your chalk outline and write the reports.

  4. Nick Flandrey says:

    While looking for some first aid posts, I reread this one. Lots of good discussion in the comments for new preppers. Not much about first aid:

    http://www.ttgnet.com/journal/2015/04/10/friday-10-april-2015/

  5. Jenny says:

    An idea for Jessica to consider – Rossi makes very inexpensive single shot shotguns and (in our area at least) they can often be found for less than $100. Single shot can install a greater sense of confidence in a new shooter because their simplicity makes them easy to use. They can be set up for home defense by adding a sleeve for carrying shells to the stock. With a bit of practice reloads can be done very speedily indeed.

    Rossi wouldn’t be my first choice. I suggest it for its low cost and ease of use.

    Jessica is about my size. I find youth model shotguns work best for my physical structure. Perhaps Jessica will find the same is true for her. I am comfortable shooting 12 or 20 gauge when it’s in a youth model as I can correctly position the stock. I can shoot a full size shotgun, but it hurts me because I am not large enough to hold it right and that diminishes the fun.

    I have small weak hands. I prefer shooting Smith and Wesson J frames. For conceal carry I like my concealed hammer. They could pick up a cheap used copy of Massad Ayoobs ‘In the Gravest Extreme’ if they’d like to explore why that might be prudent beyond the obvious lack of snagging. I have a small Kahr in 9 mm that is the only semi-automatic I can hit the target with reliably. I have to be very conscious of having a very correct grip even on the small Kahr or it fails to eject and it jams.

    J-frames are my preferred EDC. Kahr is simply a lot of fun. Gunshows and pawn shops are shopping options to explore. The j frame is probably not going to be inexpensive.

    Again, small hands. Grips are rarely the issue, virtually always the trigger pull is too long. I can do it, but not with speed or accuracy. I am capable of shooting everything my husband carries, and have practiced doing so for emergencies, but I don’t enjoy it. I’m inaccurate because I have to cock my grip in order to get enough of my finger on the trigger to pull it. This results in a weak grip, with a higher probability of jamming the gun, and severely reduced accuracy.

    Unless Jason is unusually small they will find it necessary to have his and hers firearms.

    If they learn what to look for, or have a knowledgable friend, pawn shops (again in our area) are good places to get armed inexpensively. You have to know enough not to wind up with junk, however.

  6. Rick Hellewell says:

    regarding searching this site: I had already added a plugin that allows searching of comments (along with just about everything else). So comments are being searched.

    The issue with the ‘search results’ is that only the post excerpt is shown, so you have to look at each post to find what you are looking for. If the search term is within the excerpt, it will be highlighted. But if the search term is outside of the excerpt, the relevant part of the post (whether the post or comments) is not shown. A deficiency of the plugin.

    So searching works (as an example, search for ‘makeup’ and you can see the highlighting problem). It’s just not as convenient as you want it to be.

    I’m searching for a different plugin that might be better, but that takes a while.

  7. Nick Flandrey says:

    @jenny, good poimts! I didn’t consider youth sizes for my (adult) wife šŸ™‚ I did get a semi-auto 20ga for her, for the reduced recoil. I’ve been thinking a bit about sub-compacts for my kids to get started with but I hadn’t considered the long trigger pull…

    The key with any firearm purchase is to get one that fits YOU. Everyone is different, and getting caught up in fanboi flame wars is pointless.

    The pawnshops around here are usually overpriced when it comes to handguns.

    I’ve got a friend with a store that focuses just on defensive guns, (no hunting) and his wife is a great resource for anyone, but esp females. With the increase in female shooters (and it’s HUGE) there will surely be a store that is female friendly somewhere nearby. Anyone looking for a gun should try different stores until they find one they are comfortable in.

    kathy jackson at CorneredCat.com is a great reference for any new shooter, anyone with kids, and esp female new shooters. She looks at issues that other instructors are only just beginning to consider. Definitely recommended.

    nick

  8. Nick Flandrey says:

    “Jason and Jessica have both been spending a lot of time browsing prepping sites, and are overwhelmed by the amount of stuff they need to think about, buy, and do, and the decisions they need to make.”

    While looking for the med stuff, I found this comment, reposted here:

    Prepper fatigue is real. The task can look huge, especially starting from zero.

    I fight it by using a ā€˜panic buyā€™ to ā€˜catch upā€™ or get something in place when I find a gap I really need to fill. Then I learn to use it to a basic level. Canā€™t use it if you donā€™t have it, no matter what your skill level, so I get it first. Then get some familiarity. Get some more in-depth training/skill/experience some time later, when you have time and can. Thatā€™s one of the reasons I like and recommend CERT training. Itā€™s a broad, shallow intro to many aspects of disaster prep. Some of it resonates, and itā€™s easier to explore those aspects.

    For me it goes- awareness, basic coverage, basic familiarity, more in depth familiarity, comfort level of competence. There can be time between each step, and in some cases A LOT of time. Like itā€™s been 7 years since I started medical preps, and Iā€™m finally hoping to get the EMT training. (and that might not happen this spring due to schedule conflicts)

    Iā€™ve been a casual shooter for 30 years. Only got time behind some other handguns and formal training in the last couple of years. No formal training with the rifles or shotty. I can run my glock blindfolded. No where near that with the new rifle. Need a bunch of training and practice. Canā€™t find the time.

    Had my General license for years. Still havenā€™t had a QSO on HF. Listen every week, no talkie. Still learning bunches about radio. Still gearing up for additional modes.

    Your progress reports have you moving steadily in a whole bunch of areas at the same time. Mine are more fits and starts, with brief concentrations or bursts of effort, and skipping around from area to area. For my brain and personality, the short focus and differing focus helps to fight against the fatigue. It may not be the most efficient method, and Iā€™m not even sure it works for me, but it seems to. (And with the caveat that in some ways itā€™s become a full time job for me.) My hope is that each time I revisit one area, I lift it up one more step. Some are pretty low, some are pretty high.

    If you need a break, take one. Come back refreshed and rededicated. The goal is worthwhile.

    nick

  9. Dave Hardy says:

    Mos def check out the new and developing focus on firearms and their use for women and older kids; the NRA, again, has done a lotta work on this and offers stuff all the time, just need to search through their sites.

    As a larger-than-average North Murkan male I’ve carried the M60 w/ammo and grenades in my MUCH younger years in wet heat like you wouldn’t believe, but have no interest in doing that again, or over in the nasty dry heat, either. I can haul a .308 semi-auto w/ammo and a Remington 12-gauge with handguard, light, optic, ammo, etc., for a while but again, not much interest in doing that if I don’t have to, not at my age. I’ve kind of split the diff here, carrying larger and heavier handguns and lighter rifles and shotguns. And no grenades, lol. Well, probably no grenades.

    Mrs. OFD is also larger-than average at 5’10” and 180 and rides horses and is pretty sturdy with strong hands. But she also doesn’t wanna hassle with .308’s and big-ass 12-gauges and the other consideration is how well or how poorly you can move around inside your house or from a vehicle with various firearms.

    Good points above on Prepper Fatigue; it is overwhelming at first thinking about and planning for all kinds of stuff but one step at a time; most of us have a bunch of other things going on in our lives, like jobs, family situations, house and property responsibilities, etc., and are at varying levels of fitness and awareness and political beliefs. We do what we can, allowing for those horrible factors, time and money.

    Take a break once in a while; pull up a comfortable chair, break out the Moxie-on-the-rocks and some pretzels, sit back, and watch as the Party blows itself up over the next few months and take bets on what we’ll end up with.

  10. SteveF says:

    overwhelmed by the amount of stuff they need to think about, buy, and do, and the decisions they need to make

    Think about it like having to get yourself to a thousand miles away. Different approaches will work for different people.

    – Some people can just plonk down the money to buy a new car, gas, and munchies. Lucky them.
    – Some people grab what they have and set out, one step at a time, figuring it out as they go.
    – Some people plan a route, decide how many miles they’re going to make each week, and then set out.
    – Some people want to study the map and all the reviews of the best hiking boots and every other aspect, and end up never actually taking that first step.
    – Some people look at the distance and declare there’s no way to get there, so they never take the first step.
    – Some people deny there’s a need to go anywhere at all.

    Avoid those last few, but otherwise do whatever works for your personality and finances. If all you can do is label a cardboard box “preps” and put in a can every week, then do that. Don’t get overwhelmed by the scope of the task or the well-meaning but contradictory advice. Just do something.

  11. Dave Hardy says:

    “Avoid those last few, but otherwise do whatever works for your personality and finances. If all you can do is label a cardboard box ā€œprepsā€ and put in a can every week, then do that. Donā€™t get overwhelmed by the scope of the task or the well-meaning but contradictory advice. Just do something.”

    +1,000

    “ā€“ Some people plan a route, decide how many miles theyā€™re going to make each week, and then set out.”

    That would be me, but it never pans out that way.

    I’d expect to be able to make a thousand miles by car, with no particular urgency, in about two days.

    Two very old anecdotes:

    1.) When I was back there in high skool, one of our motorhead greaser buddies drove his souped-up Camaro from Framingham, MA to the Bourne Bridge (gateway to Cape Cod) in fifteen minutes. Without seeing a single cop.

    2.) Two of my USAF Security Police sergeants drove a VW bug from San Francisco to NYC in just over two days.

    A thousand miles on foot, hauling a 60-pound ruck, rifle, pistol and ammo? Six to seven full weeks, more likely two full months. While having to scout food and water along the way. Maybe under occasional hostile intervention.

  12. SteveF says:

    Don’t get too bogged down in the 1000 miles thing. It was just an example of a big problem which different personality types approach in different ways. I could just as well have used the example of eating an elephant.*

    * Not Hillary, though she’s the right size. First, the elephant is the wrong party’s symbol. Second, you’d have to shove Huma out of the way. Third, ewww.

  13. Jenny says:

    @Nick
    kathy jackson at CorneredCat.com
    Husband and I took a handgun retention class she was co-teaching with I don’t remember whom.
    Very engaging and effective instructor. I recommend her to folks also.

    We also repeated Massad Ayoobs MAG-20 class last year. We’d taken it about 10 years ago. Found the refresh helpful. If you are going to CCW I think his class or similar is important to surviving the aftermath of a shooting.

  14. MrAtoz says:

    A thousand miles on foot, hauling a 60-pound ruck, rifle, pistol and ammo? Six to seven full weeks, more likely two full months. While having to scout food and water along the way. Maybe under occasional hostile intervention.

    Don’t forget you have to navigate that 1,000 miles. 99% of people probably can’t navigate out of their home city by foot. I used to love land nav in the mil. Then moved on to nav on a map at 90kts and 100′ in helo’s. You’ve mentioned paper maps before. You can’t count on your phone or gps. A 1,000 mile forced march would suck dead bunnies.

  15. MrAtoz says:

    lol! Hire more refugees. It doesn’t matter if they have any skills at all. JUST HIRE THEM!

    BERLIN (Reuters) – Chancellor Angela Merkel has invited executives from some of Germany’s biggest listed companies to attend a summit next month where she will urge them to hire more refugees, the newspaper Bild reported on Saturday.

    When Obola and upcoming Queen Bitch Cankles demand this, they can go fuk themselves.

  16. MrAtoz says:

    Cankles is squawking about “internet access for all”. You know what that means. Pony up Mr. OFD. They’ll just add on the CanklesNet penalty for anyone who pays taxes. Just like OboloaCare.

  17. Ray Thompson says:

    Theyā€™ll just add on the CanklesNet penalty for anyone who pays taxes

    Hmm, I thought that was what all those fees below the line, you know, the FCC fee, Business Recovery Fee, Mandated Fee, Unmandated Fee, Fee Because We Can Fee, were supposed to support. At least that is what the cable companies state. Silly me!

    I suppose we will now see another fee below the line, the Bitch Queen Fee, to support her new broadband plan. Of course those of us who have worked to earn money will pay $69.95 a month while the worthless FSA losers will get a bill credit.

  18. lynn says:

    A thousand miles on foot, hauling a 60-pound ruck, rifle, pistol and ammo? Six to seven full weeks, more likely two full months. While having to scout food and water along the way. Maybe under occasional hostile intervention.

    Donā€™t forget you have to navigate that 1,000 miles. 99% of people probably canā€™t navigate out of their home city by foot. I used to love land nav in the mil. Then moved on to nav on a map at 90kts and 100ā€² in heloā€™s. Youā€™ve mentioned paper maps before. You canā€™t count on your phone or gps. A 1,000 mile forced march would suck dead bunnies.

    Probably a month for every 200 miles walking. Slower if there is ice and snow on the ground or if the temperature is above 85 F.
    https://www.amazon.com/77-Days-September-Survival-Dedication/dp/1499616015/
    or
    https://www.amazon.com/Borrowed-World-Novel-Post-Apocalyptic-Collapse/dp/1511974419/
    or
    https://www.amazon.com/Going-Home-Novel-Survivalist-American/dp/0147516951/

  19. lynn says:

    I have small weak hands. I prefer shooting Smith and Wesson J frames.

    I have large weak hands. I love my revolvers also as I jam my Springfield XDM about once every 20 or 30 rounds due to my wimpy hold.

    Which j frame are you using ?

  20. lynn says:

    This flooding in Louisiana is getting very serious. Some friends of mine had their niece get five feet of water in her house in Baton Rouge this morning. They got out ok but had to leave their stuff for the rising water.

  21. nick says:

    My weather station says I’ve gotten over 4 inches here since about 5pm. I hope we’re getting some of what was supposed to hit LA, they need the break.

    n

  22. lynn says:

    We’ve also gotten four inches of rain. The pool just overflowed. The first three inches came in around 30 minutes (6 inches/hour).

  23. lynn says:

    I have large weak hands.

    Wrong, I have medium size weak hands. I cannot palm a basketball but my youngest brother can.

  24. Dave Hardy says:

    “Donā€™t get too bogged down in the 1000 miles thing. It was just an example of a big problem which different personality types approach in different ways.”

    Understood. I just took it and ran with it. That’s just how I roll.

    “We also repeated Massad Ayoobs MAG-20 class last year.”

    Mas is still, last I knew, a sworn and working LEO over in NH. His classes are recommended, often held in Floriduh, though.

    “Donā€™t forget you have to navigate that 1,000 miles. 99% of people probably canā€™t navigate out of their home city by foot. I used to love land nav in the mil. Then moved on to nav on a map at 90kts and 100ā€² in heloā€™s. Youā€™ve mentioned paper maps before.”

    No chit, amigo. You won’t catch me out there with a damn smartypants phone or a GPS gizmo; I bring paper maps and a good compass to the party. And binocs.

    “…Chancellor Angela Merkel…”

    Yeah, Commissar Merkel. What a piece of commie shit she is. She’s basically detonated her country and half of western Europe at a single stroke, and I’m sure that was the plan all along. And one of her top advisers is a former Stasi exec, too.

    “Pony up Mr. OFD. Theyā€™ll just add on the CanklesNet penalty for anyone who pays taxes. Just like OboloaCare.”

    Yeah. The other thing I’m keeping in the back of my mind in regard to prepping: NOT going outta here feet-first. Depending on events and circumstances, we may well decide to boogie on out and disappear. So plans are afoot for that eventuality, too.

    “Trump is right:”

    Well, there are two problems with sources there: the Blaze, and the Hezbollah leader. But otherwise I don’t have too much of a problem believing it. He’s obviously not a Christian of any kind and has been consistently sympathetic to radical musloid assholes throughout his terms.

    “Of course those of us who have worked to earn money will pay $69.95 a month while the worthless FSA losers will get a bill credit.”

    Cynical, hateful bastid. But I approve!!

    “Probably a month for every 200 miles walking. Slower if there is ice and snow on the ground or if the temperature is above 85 F.”

    I still maintain it would be two months, total, for a healthy Murkan adult. Cold and snow or heat are to be prepped for, ditto hostile activity against you.

    “This flooding in Louisiana is getting very serious.”

    Wife just back from TX and she had peeps in her class from there and they said it was bad.

    We need the rain we’re getting, and looks like it will cease for Monday and Tuesday and then start again on Wednesday.

  25. lynn says:

    healthy Murkan adult.

    So that is what, 20% of the USA population ? Most of the peeps have spent their lives on the couch, watching reality shows and eating Cheetos.

  26. Dave Hardy says:

    “So that is what, 20% of the USA population ? Most of the peeps have spent their lives on the couch, watching reality shows and eating Cheetos.”

    And your point is? Yes, I’m referring to a healthy Murkan adult, any age, race or one of the two genuine sexes, from fourteen to ninety, if applicable. I’m not 100% healthy with my back currently, and could use some more flexibility and wind endurance but in a few more months would feel ready to try it, barring any other mishaps before then. And I’m 63 and would like to fit myself among that 20%. The rest will get what’s coming to them.

  27. nick says:

    In other news:

    Violent protests erupt in Milwaukee after police shoot and kill armed man following a traffic stop

    More than 100 people gathered in standoff with officers in Milwaukee
    Protests occurred after officer shot and killed a man after traffic stop
    Authorities said the 23-year-old man was armed with a handgun
    But it wasn’t clear whether he had pointed gun or fired at the officer
    Officers attempted to leave but crowd smashed a squad car’s windows
    Another police car was set on fire and one officer was struck by a brick
    A BP gas station was set on fire along with three other buildings
    The officer, 24, who shot the man was placed on administrative duty

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3739689/Violent-protests-erupt-Milwaukee-cop-shot-killed-man-following-traffic-stop.html

  28. Dave Hardy says:

    It’s all good; they’re mostly busting up and burning their own ‘hood and their own stores and businesses, per usual.

    Two choices now:

    1.) Cordon off these areas and invite law-abiding regular citizens to come out and be relocated; use the money saved from closing a few hundred military bases and bringing troops home to help out.

    or,

    2.) Roll in with armor and AC-130 gunships and clean ’em all out once and for all. But this would bring to mind images of the Wehrmacht and SS doing the same gig over in Warsaw a while back.

  29. SteveF says:

    3) Build a wall. A 10-mile wall will be good practice for the wall along the Mexican border. Then cut off the water and the natural gas and the electricity and just wait. In a few weeks, use the contained city as a resettlement camp for “refugees” who want to come to the US. If they truly are desperate to leave an approaching genocide or whatever they’re whining about, then being settled in a former city and having to clean out the bodies of the former inhabitants will be a good deal. If they refuse, then it’s a good sign they were just using approaching genocide as an excuse to come to the Land of the Free Stuff.

  30. Dave Hardy says:

    See? Right off the bat, excellent suggestions to solve the problem. Now…can’t we all just get along?

  31. MrAtoz says:

    I love the guy on video, “the rich people gots all the money, don give us nun”. lol! FSA BLM’r to the max. It’s sad to say, but if youse WHITEY!, and live in an urban BLM city, youse gotsa move. Did I get the Ebonics right?

  32. Dave Hardy says:

    You mostly got the Ebonics correctly, sir. But your mocking tone smacks of visceral hatred and bigotry and you will be required to report to the new Michelle Obama BLM Re-education Center, coming soon to your city.

    The BLM, incidentally, is far more of a genuine communist front organization than it is anything for so-called black Murkan rights and reparations. Check it out, do the research. And the Incumbent National Administrator is all over it. Be interesting to see what he does if he ever leaves office.

  33. SteveF says:

    Working from the stupid shit they spew, I know what the B and the M stand for, but I can’t figure out the L. What L word fits between Bowel and Movement?

  34. nick says:

    Loosened?

  35. MrAtoz says:

    Liquid?

  36. Dave Hardy says:

    Oh my! Budding young English majors in the making here! Who knew?

    Lethal.

    Leprous

    Loathsome

  37. MrAtoz says:

    I like lethal. It goes with Mr. Ray (his farts that is).

  38. DadCooks says:

    I’m liking all the suggestions for dealing with the entitled ignant (got to get a little ebonics in) BLMs.

    Anyone who does not see how Obuttwad has greatly accelerated the racism in the USofA should proudly wear the “ignant” label and accept their fate of annihilation.

    All this crap is going to continue to ramp up until election day when all hell will break lose.

    Trump win or lose there will be a new civil war and this time it will not be about State’s Rights but about “White Rights”.

    By “White Rights” I mean people who are color blind but who adhere to the Original Constitution and Bill of Rights (I am for abolishing all amendments from 11 on…), have the simple moral values of The 10 Commandments (I have come to the conclusion that all religious books and religions/denominations are creations of man trying to force a particular way of life on a “tribe”), and are willing to endure the years of trial and tribulation as we restore common sense to this once great country.

    Time for a New Declaration of Independence from the oligarchs, ignant, and entitled.

    Gird your loins, keep your powder dry, and watch for the traitors among us.

  39. Dave Hardy says:

    “…adhere to the Original Constitution and Bill of Rights (I am for abolishing all amendments from 11 onā€¦), have the simple moral values of The 10 Commandments (I have come to the conclusion that all religious books and religions/denominations are creations of man trying to force a particular way of life on a ā€œtribeā€), and are willing to endure the years of trial and tribulation as we restore common sense to this once great country.”

    Count me in with a couple of my own mini-amendments: the original Articles of Confederation and my Douay-Rheims Bible, Saint Edmund Campion Missal, and the 1962 Baltimore Catechism and I’m good to go. I believe I could get along OK with people who only use the Constitution, Bill of Rights through Eleventh, and the Ten Commandments, however.

    It’s basically turning back the clock, but if things get sporty enough here and there is a massive and all-encompassing reboot, it may just be possible, at least on a regional and “tribal” basis.

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